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Q. Yes. So if I [[understand]] what you're saying, it might actually be [[possible]] that our [[conscience]], as this product of what we've [[learned]] in our life might actually be [[different]] from or [[antagonistic]] to the [[spirit]] [[truth]], our true innate sense of what might be true. Is that correct?

Q. Yes. So if I [[understand]] what you're saying, it might actually be [[possible]] that our [[conscience]], as this product of what we've [[learned]] in our life might actually be [[different]] from or [[antagonistic]] to the [[spirit]] [[truth]], our true innate sense of what might be true. Is that correct?

A. I do not necessarily [[perceive]] it to be [[antagonistic]], for that which you call [[conscience]], as I [[perceive]], is the [[desire]] within your being to do what is right. Your [[actions]] do not always follow the [[conscience]], but the conscience does try in your [[mind]] to give you a [[perspective]] of [[reality]] and better enable you to [[discern]] the [[difference]] between [[good]] and [[evil]]. It acts as somewhat of a bridge, if you will, between the [[animal]] and [[Thought Adjuster|the spirit]] in [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Developmental_psychology early human development].

A. I do not necessarily [[perceive]] it to be [[antagonistic]], for that which you call [[conscience]], as I [[perceive]], is the [[desire]] within your being to do what is right. Your [[actions]] do not always follow the [[conscience]], but the conscience does try in your [[mind]] to give you a [[perspective]] of [[reality]] and better enable you to [[discern]] the [[difference]] between [[good]] and [[evil]]. It acts as somewhat of a bridge, if you will, between the [[animal]] and [[Thought Adjuster|the spirit]] in [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Developmental_psychology early human development].

===='''''[[Accidents]]''''', '''''[[Morontia Mota]]'''''====

===='''''[[Accidents]]''''', '''''[[Morontia Mota]]'''''====

Q. WELMEK, there are 28 [[illustrations]] of human [[philosophy]] as a way of [[understanding]] [[analogous]] [[morontia mota]] [[meanings]] in the [[Urantia Book]]. [http://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Paper_48#48:7._MORONTIA_MOTA Number 7 of those 28 illustrations] is as follows: "[[Blind]] and unforeseen [[accidents]] do not occur in the [[cosmos]]. Neither do the celestial beings assist the lower being who refuses to [[act]] upon his [[light]] of [[truth]]." Can you [[clarify]] that for us?

Q. WELMEK, there are 28 [[illustrations]] of human [[philosophy]] as a way of [[understanding]] [[analogous]] [[morontia mota]] [[meanings]] in the [[Urantia Book]]. [https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Paper_48#48:7._MORONTIA_MOTA Number 7 of those 28 illustrations] is as follows: "[[Blind]] and unforeseen [[accidents]] do not occur in the [[cosmos]]. Neither do the celestial beings assist the lower being who refuses to [[act]] upon his [[light]] of [[truth]]." Can you [[clarify]] that for us?

A. There is much in that [[statement]]. First, regarding [[accidents]] in the [[cosmos]], in the greater scheme of things, indeed there is [[organization]]. There is an order to [[things]]. I [[realize]] at times this is [[difficult]] for you to [[understand]], for [[your planet]] is so disordered. However, once you leave this world, you will [[immediately]] [[perceive]] a substantial [[difference]] in the way things are and we [[hope]] to bring about on [[your planet]]. There are, however, [[accidents]] in time on a smaller [[scale]] such as when one may be [[injured]] by the blow of a hammer when trying to strike a nail. For it is surely not, I would [[hope]], your [[intention]] to hit yourself. This is indeed an [[accident]]. There are many [[illustrations]] of this which I'm sure you're all aware of. Secondly, most gathered this evening are not yet [[aware]] of the [[faith]] which they really have. This is a [[process]] which you will become [[conscious]] of if you [[practice]] that which I have asked you to do. [[The Father]] is desirous of all of His [[children]] to come to Him. This [[command]] of "Be perfect as I am perfect."[http://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=1:0_The_Universal_Father] is held [[universally]], yet none of us have [[achieved]] [[perfection]]. We are asked to try. Each day do the best that you can. If you are unwilling to [[participate]] in this [[plan]], then you retard yourself, you keep yourself away from that which is real, important, and when your inside [[grows]], you will [[retrospect]] actually and see your [[duty]]. [[The Father]] will not give to one and continue to give unless that [[individual]] is willing to [[receive]] and not only receive but [[act]] upon what they have been given. There is deeper [[insight]] into this [[statement]] which would not make a great deal of sense to you now, for your [[experience]] is so [[limited]]. Know that this [[mota]] in [[Urantia Text|the book]] is a very preliminary philosophical [[understanding]] of that which you must master in order to [[achieve]] even [[fusion]].

A. There is much in that [[statement]]. First, regarding [[accidents]] in the [[cosmos]], in the greater scheme of things, indeed there is [[organization]]. There is an order to [[things]]. I [[realize]] at times this is [[difficult]] for you to [[understand]], for [[your planet]] is so disordered. However, once you leave this world, you will [[immediately]] [[perceive]] a substantial [[difference]] in the way things are and we [[hope]] to bring about on [[your planet]]. There are, however, [[accidents]] in time on a smaller [[scale]] such as when one may be [[injured]] by the blow of a hammer when trying to strike a nail. For it is surely not, I would [[hope]], your [[intention]] to hit yourself. This is indeed an [[accident]]. There are many [[illustrations]] of this which I'm sure you're all aware of. Secondly, most gathered this evening are not yet [[aware]] of the [[faith]] which they really have. This is a [[process]] which you will become [[conscious]] of if you [[practice]] that which I have asked you to do. [[The Father]] is desirous of all of His [[children]] to come to Him. This [[command]] of "Be perfect as I am perfect."[https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=1:0_The_Universal_Father] is held [[universally]], yet none of us have [[achieved]] [[perfection]]. We are asked to try. Each day do the best that you can. If you are unwilling to [[participate]] in this [[plan]], then you retard yourself, you keep yourself away from that which is real, important, and when your inside [[grows]], you will [[retrospect]] actually and see your [[duty]]. [[The Father]] will not give to one and continue to give unless that [[individual]] is willing to [[receive]] and not only receive but [[act]] upon what they have been given. There is deeper [[insight]] into this [[statement]] which would not make a great deal of sense to you now, for your [[experience]] is so [[limited]]. Know that this [[mota]] in [[Urantia Text|the book]] is a very preliminary philosophical [[understanding]] of that which you must master in order to [[achieve]] even [[fusion]].

Q. WELMEK, in [http://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Paper_110 the paper] you asked us to [[read]] this week, it [http://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=110:3_Co-Operation_With_the_Adjuster listed 4 ways] to [[facilitate]] [[contact]] with our [[Adjuster]]; and one was to develop "an intelligent and wise affection for each of your fellow mortals." What do they mean by "[[intelligent]]" and "[[wise]]"?

Q. WELMEK, in [https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Paper_110 the paper] you asked us to [[read]] this week, it [https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=110:3_Co-Operation_With_the_Adjuster listed 4 ways] to [[facilitate]] [[contact]] with our [[Adjuster]]; and one was to develop "an intelligent and wise affection for each of your fellow mortals." What do they mean by "[[intelligent]]" and "[[wise]]"?

A. How would you answer that?

A. How would you answer that?

Q. Well,...

Q. Well,...

WELMEK, I was [[reading]] the other day toward the back of [[Urantia Text|the book]] on page l948 and it really kind of brought all this out very [[clearly]] to me, or at least where I was at the [[point]] where I am now, about loving one another, on page l948 or 1949, at [[Paper 179 - The Last Supper|the last supper]], when [[Jesus]] was talking to the [[apostles]] and he talked about the [[Spirit of Truth]]. Hold on, let me find where I was [[reading]], I had it marked....you took me by [[surprise]]..(group [[laughter]]) Oh, it's "[[180:2 The Vine and the Branches|The Vine and the Branches]]" on page l945. It just seemed so [[clear]] at the time, it still does..it's something I felt I could [[immediately]] apply to my life about loving one another. It says, "As the Father has love me, so have I loved you. Live in my love even as I live in the Father's love. If you do as I have taught you, you shall abide in my love even as I have kept the Father's word and evermore abide in his love." ([http://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=180:2_The_Vine_and_the_Branches 180:2.2]) Up above that, about to the middle of that first section, it says, "If you would share [[the Master]]'s [[joy]], you must [[share]] his [[love]]. And to share his love means that you have shared his [[service]]."...okay, that's not it either. Hold on...no that's not it.. You really caught me by [[surprise]],

WELMEK, I was [[reading]] the other day toward the back of [[Urantia Text|the book]] on page l948 and it really kind of brought all this out very [[clearly]] to me, or at least where I was at the [[point]] where I am now, about loving one another, on page l948 or 1949, at [[Paper 179 - The Last Supper|the last supper]], when [[Jesus]] was talking to the [[apostles]] and he talked about the [[Spirit of Truth]]. Hold on, let me find where I was [[reading]], I had it marked....you took me by [[surprise]]..(group [[laughter]]) Oh, it's "[[180:2 The Vine and the Branches|The Vine and the Branches]]" on page l945. It just seemed so [[clear]] at the time, it still does..it's something I felt I could [[immediately]] apply to my life about loving one another. It says, "As the Father has love me, so have I loved you. Live in my love even as I live in the Father's love. If you do as I have taught you, you shall abide in my love even as I have kept the Father's word and evermore abide in his love." ([https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=180:2_The_Vine_and_the_Branches 180:2.2]) Up above that, about to the middle of that first section, it says, "If you would share [[the Master]]'s [[joy]], you must [[share]] his [[love]]. And to share his love means that you have shared his [[service]]."...okay, that's not it either. Hold on...no that's not it.. You really caught me by [[surprise]],

WELMEK. "The [[impulse]] of [[friendship]] [[transcends]] all [[convictions]] of [[duty]], and the [[service]] of a friend for a friend can never be called [[sacrifice]]. [[The Master]] has taught the [[apostles]] that they are the [[sons of God]]. He has called them brethren, and now, before he leaves, he calls them his [[friends]]." Well, I can't find it.

WELMEK. "The [[impulse]] of [[friendship]] [[transcends]] all [[convictions]] of [[duty]], and the [[service]] of a friend for a friend can never be called [[sacrifice]]. [[The Master]] has taught the [[apostles]] that they are the [[sons of God]]. He has called them brethren, and now, before he leaves, he calls them his [[friends]]." Well, I can't find it.

A. In what way?

A. In what way?

Q. Is it just the [[Thought Adjuster]]? [[Paper 110|The paper]] talks about the [[Thought Adjuster]] working to build up our [[spiritual]] [[counterpart]] ([http://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=110:2 110:2.3])?

Q. Is it just the [[Thought Adjuster]]? [[Paper 110|The paper]] talks about the [[Thought Adjuster]] working to build up our [[spiritual]] [[counterpart]] ([https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=110:2 110:2.3])?

A. The spiritual [[counterparts]] are simply those [[realities]] that are signed. They help to, if you will, construct the [[soul]]. It is the true [[value]] [[meanings]] of your [[earthly]] [[career]] that you will carry forward with you throughout [[eternity]].

A. The spiritual [[counterparts]] are simply those [[realities]] that are signed. They help to, if you will, construct the [[soul]]. It is the true [[value]] [[meanings]] of your [[earthly]] [[career]] that you will carry forward with you throughout [[eternity]].

A. This is, as Herb said, our first time here. I [[think]] we've both been on a very long [[spiritual]] [[journey]]. Coming here has certainly been [[insightful]]. For whatever reason, we needed it; and I'm very [[grateful]]. But as a new person in [[this mission]], I feel very [[naive]]; and I'm wondering if you would suggest what someone such as myself who was just recently introduced to this type of teaching, where we should start?

A. This is, as Herb said, our first time here. I [[think]] we've both been on a very long [[spiritual]] [[journey]]. Coming here has certainly been [[insightful]]. For whatever reason, we needed it; and I'm very [[grateful]]. But as a new person in [[this mission]], I feel very [[naive]]; and I'm wondering if you would suggest what someone such as myself who was just recently introduced to this type of teaching, where we should start?

A. You have already started. You began years ago when you [[desired]] to know more of Him. For now, I would [[encourage]] you to [[read]] [[Team|the transcripts]] that have been given to [[Tallahassee TeaM|this group]] already. I [[encourage]] you to [[read]] the [http://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=UB#Part_IV._The_Life_and_Teachings_of_Jesus teachings of Jesus] in the [[Urantia Book]]; and when you are [[comfortable]] I would [[encourage]] an [[opportunity]] to meet with you [[individually]] so that I may further give you [[personal]] instruction. I would like to suggest that coming here this evening, for you, was no [[accident]]. There are many who [[work]] with me, before I was here and now that I am, who constantly strive to bring you to a greater [[understanding]] of [[the Father]]. [[Accept]] this. Do not necessarily try to always [[understand]] it. Just [[accept]] it, and learn from each [[experience]].

A. You have already started. You began years ago when you [[desired]] to know more of Him. For now, I would [[encourage]] you to [[read]] [[Team|the transcripts]] that have been given to [[Tallahassee TeaM|this group]] already. I [[encourage]] you to [[read]] the [https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=UB#Part_IV._The_Life_and_Teachings_of_Jesus teachings of Jesus] in the [[Urantia Book]]; and when you are [[comfortable]] I would [[encourage]] an [[opportunity]] to meet with you [[individually]] so that I may further give you [[personal]] instruction. I would like to suggest that coming here this evening, for you, was no [[accident]]. There are many who [[work]] with me, before I was here and now that I am, who constantly strive to bring you to a greater [[understanding]] of [[the Father]]. [[Accept]] this. Do not necessarily try to always [[understand]] it. Just [[accept]] it, and learn from each [[experience]].

===Closing===

===Closing===

WELMEK: I wish to [[conclude]] this [[communication]] for this evening. I hope you found it [[enlightening]]. I [[hope]] you find it [[stimulating]] and will ask for [[clarification]] on some questions next time.

WELMEK: I wish to [[conclude]] this [[communication]] for this evening. I hope you found it [[enlightening]]. I [[hope]] you find it [[stimulating]] and will ask for [[clarification]] on some questions next time.

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