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You mortals are most favored for you start at the bottom, the start of real [[creature]] experience and you if you [[choose]] can [[ascend]] all the way to the doors of [[Paradise]] and to the very [[presence]] of [[the Deities]]. But that isn't the end. That is just the completion of [[perfection]] to a perfected state, for then does your universe [[service]] truly begin. At this point we do not know what all this will mean but we are instructed and therefore we instruct others that there is no end to the [[potential]] of your [[existence]], that you will discover God on [[finite]] levels and on [[absonite]] levels, and perhaps on [[infinite]] levels. This is the big view, but it is important that you keep it in mind so that this life does not [[become]] the be all and end all of existence, for this is not at all the case.

You mortals are most favored for you start at the bottom, the start of real [[creature]] experience and you if you [[choose]] can [[ascend]] all the way to the doors of [[Paradise]] and to the very [[presence]] of [[the Deities]]. But that isn't the end. That is just the completion of [[perfection]] to a perfected state, for then does your universe [[service]] truly begin. At this point we do not know what all this will mean but we are instructed and therefore we instruct others that there is no end to the [[potential]] of your [[existence]], that you will discover God on [[finite]] levels and on [[absonite]] levels, and perhaps on [[infinite]] levels. This is the big view, but it is important that you keep it in mind so that this life does not [[become]] the be all and end all of existence, for this is not at all the case.

Yes, some of you will [[wake]] up on [[Mansonia #1]] and will [[curse]] that your life did not end—not you in this room-but some on [[Urantia]] may [[curse]] that their [[life]] continues. Well if they retain that [[hostile]] [[mood]], they have the right to terminate their existence forever. But many more will be [[joyfully]] amazed that God is much more loving, much more [[fair]], much larger in [[concept]] and [[reality]], than the finest thoughts of the smartest [[theologians]]; and that you were not given these [[desires]] to accomplish and to fulfill yourself merely to have them die and fall to dust in your [[graves]]. No , they are real desires with real [[satisfactions]].  

Yes, some of you will [[wake]] up on [[First Mansion World|Mansonia #1]] and will [[curse]] that your life did not end—not you in this room-but some on [[Urantia]] may [[curse]] that their [[life]] continues. Well if they retain that [[hostile]] [[mood]], they have the right to terminate their existence forever. But many more will be [[joyfully]] amazed that God is much more loving, much more [[fair]], much larger in [[concept]] and [[reality]], than the finest thoughts of the smartest [[theologians]]; and that you were not given these [[desires]] to accomplish and to fulfill yourself merely to have them die and fall to dust in your [[graves]]. No , they are real desires with real [[satisfactions]].  

I thank you for [[listening]] to my [[passionate]] rendition and now Daniel and I will open the floor to your [[participation]]. Are there questions, comments? Please feel free.

I thank you for [[listening]] to my [[passionate]] rendition and now Daniel and I will open the floor to your [[participation]]. Are there questions, comments? Please feel free.

===Dialogue===

===Dialogue===

===='''''[[Atheism]]''''', '''''[[Afterlife]]'''''====

===='''''[[Atheism]]''''', '''''[[Afterlife]]'''''====

Minearisa (Bill): You are largely correct in that most [[atheists]] have [[rejected]] the [[concepts]] of [[God]]. Very, very few have truly had enough [[information]] to reject the career of [[ascension]]. However, there are some, not necessarily atheists, who have allowed their minds to drift into [[evil]], [[sin]] and [[iniquity]] to the point of no return, not many, and fortunately not often. They have deprived the [[God]] of [[experience]] of one aspect of the completion of the [[Supreme]] and their [[failure]] to be there can never be replaced with exactly their contribution, but will be replaced with another. Another [[question]] or comment?

Minearisa (Bill): You are largely correct in that most [[atheists]] have [[rejected]] the [[concepts]] of [[God]]. Very, very few have truly had enough [[information]] to reject the career of [[ascension]]. However, there are some, not necessarily atheists, who have allowed their minds to drift into [[evil]], [[sin]] and [[iniquity]] to the point of no return, not many, and fortunately not often. They have deprived the [[God]] of [[experience]] of one aspect of the completion of the [[Supreme]] and their [[failure]] to be there can never be replaced with exactly their contribution, but will be replaced with another. Another [[question]] or comment?

===='''''[[Culture]]''''', '''''[[Rebellion]]'''''====

===='''''[[Culture]]''''', '''''[[Rebellion]]'''''====

Ken: Yes, Minearisa and Daniel and our visiting [[artisan]]. I believe that is what she was. I thank you Minearisa for this lesson that you have given us on the way the [[Melchizadek school]] is being conducted, the [[intimacy]] of the contact between the [[teacher]] or professor if you prefer, with the [[student]]. I thank you for recapping and answering the question that I presented to [[the Father]] about my [[doubts]] that I had. I thank you for that. It has answered some questions, but I would like to ask you personally for me, what do I [[fear]] most in [[accepting]] the will of the Father? How can I overcome this [[doubt]] of my [[expression]] of wanting to express the will. I don't know if I made myself clear. I have doubts of my [[ability]].

Ken: Yes, Minearisa and Daniel and our visiting [[artisan]]. I believe that is what she was. I thank you Minearisa for this lesson that you have given us on the way the [[Melchizedek school]] is being conducted, the [[intimacy]] of the contact between the [[teacher]] or professor if you prefer, with the [[student]]. I thank you for recapping and answering the question that I presented to [[the Father]] about my [[doubts]] that I had. I thank you for that. It has answered some questions, but I would like to ask you personally for me, what do I [[fear]] most in [[accepting]] the will of the Father? How can I overcome this [[doubt]] of my [[expression]] of wanting to express the will. I don't know if I made myself clear. I have doubts of my [[ability]].

Daniel (Bill): My dear friend, I am Daniel speaking. Your experience of doubt as I understand it is largely a matter of cultural conditioning. The concept of God as a punisher, while consciously being repugnant to you, was nevertheless a part of your [[cultural]] [[experience]]; and by that I am not restricting it to any particular [[environment]]. In the culture of the United States of America there has been a complete plethora of [[opinions]], preachments, [[warnings]] and threats that God is an [[angry]] [[parent]] who keeps a record of wrongs and has appropriate punishments for those erring children that He wishes to inflict [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tough_love tough love] on, or some version of this. I am not saying that you ever personally [[believed]] that, but in the [[unconscious]] mind all these messages reside and one can only lose their [[fear]] of [[doing the will of God]] when they lose their fear of God himself--every last vestige of fear, when they can understand that the Father is nothing but enormously [[generous]] [[love]]. He has no interest in [[punishment]], no interest in [[torture]]. That is [[obscene]] in his eyes. He only desires the [[growth]], the flourishing, the blossoming of each of his children. That is his will for each child, and in order to do that He needs to be in [[intimate]] [[interface]] with each child. So the cultural stuff is there in the [[unconscious]]. It needs to be completely looked at [[intellectually]] so there can be no trace of a [[rationale]] for a [[belief]] in an [[angry]], vengeful, punishing, monstrous [[concept]] of our loving God.

Daniel (Bill): My dear friend, I am Daniel speaking. Your experience of doubt as I understand it is largely a matter of cultural conditioning. The concept of God as a punisher, while consciously being repugnant to you, was nevertheless a part of your [[cultural]] [[experience]]; and by that I am not restricting it to any particular [[environment]]. In the culture of the United States of America there has been a complete plethora of [[opinions]], preachments, [[warnings]] and threats that God is an [[angry]] [[parent]] who keeps a record of wrongs and has appropriate punishments for those erring children that He wishes to inflict [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tough_love tough love] on, or some version of this. I am not saying that you ever personally [[believed]] that, but in the [[unconscious]] mind all these messages reside and one can only lose their [[fear]] of [[doing the will of God]] when they lose their fear of God himself--every last vestige of fear, when they can understand that the Father is nothing but enormously [[generous]] [[love]]. He has no interest in [[punishment]], no interest in [[torture]]. That is [[obscene]] in his eyes. He only desires the [[growth]], the flourishing, the blossoming of each of his children. That is his will for each child, and in order to do that He needs to be in [[intimate]] [[interface]] with each child. So the cultural stuff is there in the [[unconscious]]. It needs to be completely looked at [[intellectually]] so there can be no trace of a [[rationale]] for a [[belief]] in an [[angry]], vengeful, punishing, monstrous [[concept]] of our loving God.

And [[logically]] whose will is probably more beneficial for the [[individual]]? Their own [[limited]], [[finite]], [[ego]]-driven will, or the [[goal]] and direction of that [[Ta|perfect Fragment]] of the divine within who has chosen you and chosen to go with you forever—to become through you truly [[personal]] at the same time that you become fully enhanced in that perfect [[marriage]] of [[fusion]]. Has this been of any [[assistance]], my friend?

And [[logically]] whose will is probably more beneficial for the [[individual]]? Their own [[limited]], [[finite]], [[ego]]-driven will, or the [[goal]] and direction of that [[Ta|perfect Fragment]] of the divine within who has chosen you and chosen to go with you forever—to become through you truly [[personal]] at the same time that you become fully enhanced in that perfect [[marriage]] of [[fusion]]. Has this been of any [[assistance]], my friend?

Daniel (Bill): You are welcome.

Daniel (Bill): You are welcome.

===='''''[[Survival]]''''', '''''[[Rejection]]'''''====

===='''''[[Survival]]''''', '''''[[Rejection]]'''''====

Bob: I'd like to follow up with a thing that Minearisa talked briefly about. As you read the [[Urantia Book]], it often says that there are [[individuals]] who chose not to go on. And the book says that so frequently I'm left with the [[feeling]] that maybe that number is large. Yet my [[logical]] side says, no, I don't think so. That's got to be a small number. Are you able to address that? Probably not in percentages, but could you address that? What is the [[frequency]] of [[survivors]]? How much can you tell us about that?

Bob: I'd like to follow up with a thing that Minearisa talked briefly about. As you read the [[Urantia Book]], it often says that there are [[individuals]] who chose not to go on. And the book says that so frequently I'm left with the [[feeling]] that maybe that number is large. Yet my [[logical]] side says, no, I don't think so. That's got to be a small number. Are you able to address that? Probably not in percentages, but could you address that? What is the [[frequency]] of [[survivors]]? How much can you tell us about that?

But your question had more to do with the person who had a bonafide [[chance]] of [[Adjuster fusion|marriage with their Adjuster]] and turns down the prospect. You see, in order for that [[decision]] to occur there must be a full [[understanding]] of the ramifications of [[accepting]] or [[rejecting]] the [[ascension career]]. On [[this planet]] with its [[distortion]] of [[truth]] such an opportunity for such an understanding is almost never occurring. The result is, then, that these decisions are more frequently made on the [[Afterlife|other side of mortal death]]. When the book says a non-survivor, it does not necessarily imply that the decision is made in mortal life. As to percentages I am not familiar, nor [[permitted]] to discuss that, my friend.

But your question had more to do with the person who had a bonafide [[chance]] of [[Adjuster fusion|marriage with their Adjuster]] and turns down the prospect. You see, in order for that [[decision]] to occur there must be a full [[understanding]] of the ramifications of [[accepting]] or [[rejecting]] the [[ascension career]]. On [[this planet]] with its [[distortion]] of [[truth]] such an opportunity for such an understanding is almost never occurring. The result is, then, that these decisions are more frequently made on the [[Afterlife|other side of mortal death]]. When the book says a non-survivor, it does not necessarily imply that the decision is made in mortal life. As to percentages I am not familiar, nor [[permitted]] to discuss that, my friend.

What matters is that you have made that [[choice]]. You have [[betrothed]] yourself to your [[Adjuster]]. You have made what we call the [[supreme betrothal]], the engagement, the [[commitment]] to marriage, to [[fusion]]. Ultimately you can never make that decision for any other person. You may try to [[influence]], you may try to portray the loving God whose [[journey]] is nothing but pure [[pleasure]] despite the struggles, but you can't choose for them. About all I am allowed to say is, do not become like your [[population]] of [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Television TV watchers] who hear bad news repeated so often that they [[feel]] that perhaps the [[majority]] of life on [[the planet]] is dismal and [[frightening]]. Emotionally they feel that, not [[intellectually]]. But realize that when the revelators write about non-survivors it is such an appalling [[decision]] for one who [[understands]] the [[joys]] of [[ascension]] to see another person self extinguish, that it is hard to describe those terms without a certain cast of reproach, a certain attribution of [[laziness]] in the [[tone]].

What matters is that you have made that [[choice]]. You have [[betrothed]] yourself to your [[Adjuster]]. You have made what we call the [[supreme betrothal]], the engagement, the [[commitment]] to marriage, to [[fusion]]. Ultimately you can never make that decision for any other person. You may try to [[influence]], you may try to portray the loving God whose [[journey]] is nothing but pure [[pleasure]] despite the struggles, but you can't choose for them. About all I am allowed to say is, do not become like your [[population]] of [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Television TV watchers] who hear bad news repeated so often that they [[feel]] that perhaps the [[majority]] of life on [[the planet]] is dismal and [[frightening]]. Emotionally they feel that, not [[intellectually]]. But realize that when the revelators write about non-survivors it is such an appalling [[decision]] for one who [[understands]] the [[joys]] of [[ascension]] to see another person self extinguish, that it is hard to describe those terms without a certain cast of reproach, a certain attribution of [[laziness]] in the [[tone]].

For [[God the Supreme]] we have to do something, we have to [[become]]. Our [[potentials]] have to become actualized. That is our task. To serve the God of [[experience]] we have to [[share]] our experience with him. God the Supreme is really more like a [[mother]]. We are born in the [[womb]] of God the Supreme and we are her children. To throw in the towel, to commit [[cosmic]] [[suicide]] is a terrible insult to our mother. Be glad, as [[the Master]] told his [[disciples]], that your names are [[Book of Life|written in heaven]] because you have chosen the [[grace]], the [[love]], and the fellowship [[journey]] to [[the Source]] of your [[life]].

For [[God the Supreme]] we have to do something, we have to [[become]]. Our [[potentials]] have to become actualized. That is our task. To serve the God of [[experience]] we have to [[share]] our experience with him. God the Supreme is really more like a [[mother]]. We are born in the [[womb]] of God the Supreme and we are her children. To throw in the towel, to commit [[cosmic]] [[suicide]] is a terrible insult to our mother. Be glad, as [[the Master]] told his [[disciples]], that your names are [[Book of Life|written in heaven]] because you have chosen the [[grace]], the [[love]], and the fellowship [[journey]] to [[the Source]] of your [[life]].