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===Dialogue===

===Dialogue===

===='''''[[Justice]]''''', '''''[[Mercy]]'''''====

===='''''[[Justice]]''''', '''''[[Mercy]]'''''====

Vicki:  The first question is this:  Many [[individuals]] find the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truth_and_reconciliation truth and reconciliation] [[process]] unresolved in the area of [[justice]], in that many who were guilty of horrendous crimes were not incarcerated or punished, but allowed to go free.  They felt, as did some of the victims of these crimes, that they were not vindicated.  Those of us who are students of the [[Urantia Book]] know that on a [[universal]] level there is indeed a [[system]] and place to enact [[justice]], and that [[Ancients of Days|universe administrators]] see to the [[justice]] due to each individual, so that it is [[absolute]].  We’ve also been told that justice is not merely about passing on a [[guilty]] or not guilty sentence, and then exacting punishment.  So it seems to me, that in the full act of [[forgiveness]], as you described to us, Monjoronson, that there is really no reason to feel a need for vindication.  Could you elaborate on this concept of [[justice]] and vindication?

Vicki:  The first question is this:  Many [[individuals]] find the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truth_and_reconciliation truth and reconciliation] [[process]] unresolved in the area of [[justice]], in that many who were guilty of horrendous crimes were not incarcerated or punished, but allowed to go free.  They felt, as did some of the victims of these crimes, that they were not vindicated.  Those of us who are students of the [[Urantia Book]] know that on a [[universal]] level there is indeed a [[system]] and place to enact [[justice]], and that [[Ancients of Days|universe administrators]] see to the [[justice]] due to each individual, so that it is [[absolute]].  We’ve also been told that justice is not merely about passing on a [[guilty]] or not guilty sentence, and then exacting punishment.  So it seems to me, that in the full act of [[forgiveness]], as you described to us, Monjoronson, that there is really no reason to feel a need for vindication.  Could you elaborate on this concept of [[justice]] and vindication?

   

   

MONJORONSON:  Most certainly.  The prescription that we have given you for this [[process]] requires you to forget the past knowing that justice will be meted out in the [[eventuality]] of time for each individual.  It is important for you to let the past go, simply because of the [[Echo|echoing]] [[effect]] of vengeance and justice, vengeance and punishment, as this can never be done.  It is much like a [http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feud feud] between clans that one takes someone else’s life and it repercusses back and forth so that it never ends, that true justice is impossible upon your [[planet]] at this time.  Your [http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Court courts] that you have in these nations of immense [[violence]] could not possibly see the end of the justice [[process]] to enact true [[reconciliation]] through the retribution of punishment, the elimination of individuals for horrendous crimes that they had done.  Therefore, it is [[essential]] that you learn to [[forgive]], though you do not forget, knowing that the way forward is for you, as well as for the others, and that the “you,” (put that in quotes) is applicable to each individual within that [[social]] [[equation]].  You must forget, you must [[forgive]], and if you cannot forget, then forgive and move on with your life.  Does this help?

MONJORONSON:  Most certainly.  The prescription that we have given you for this [[process]] requires you to forget the past knowing that justice will be meted out in the [[eventuality]] of time for each individual.  It is important for you to let the past go, simply because of the [[Echo|echoing]] [[effect]] of vengeance and justice, vengeance and punishment, as this can never be done.  It is much like a [https://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feud feud] between clans that one takes someone else’s life and it repercusses back and forth so that it never ends, that true justice is impossible upon your [[planet]] at this time.  Your [https://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Court courts] that you have in these nations of immense [[violence]] could not possibly see the end of the justice [[process]] to enact true [[reconciliation]] through the retribution of punishment, the elimination of individuals for horrendous crimes that they had done.  Therefore, it is [[essential]] that you learn to [[forgive]], though you do not forget, knowing that the way forward is for you, as well as for the others, and that the “you,” (put that in quotes) is applicable to each individual within that [[social]] [[equation]].  You must forget, you must [[forgive]], and if you cannot forget, then forgive and move on with your life.  Does this help?

   

   

Vicki:  Yes, I believe so, and I am glad that you addressed our inadequate [http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aptitude ability] to [[Administration|exact]] [[justice]] on our earth, within our own [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judicial_system courts systems], because it does seem to be something that troubles me, the lack of justice that we see, and even the amount of corruption that we see within our court systems.  So for me, it is comforting to know that though justice may not be fully served on earth within our [[mortal]] lives, that it will then take place on a [[universal]] level in the correct way.

Vicki:  Yes, I believe so, and I am glad that you addressed our inadequate [https://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aptitude ability] to [[Administration|exact]] [[justice]] on our earth, within our own [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judicial_system courts systems], because it does seem to be something that troubles me, the lack of justice that we see, and even the amount of corruption that we see within our court systems.  So for me, it is comforting to know that though justice may not be fully served on earth within our [[mortal]] lives, that it will then take place on a [[universal]] level in the correct way.

   

   

MONJORONSON:  Yes, and surely [http://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Divine_Justice-2001-04-01 divine justice] is thorough; it is complete.  It does not miss any one [[individual]], for in your justice systems on earth, the courts and justice system often miss those who are [[guilty]], those who have perpetrated crimes but were never detected.  There is no “missing” of these when the tally is added up for each individual.  Thank you.

MONJORONSON:  Yes, and surely [https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Divine_Justice-2001-04-01 divine justice] is thorough; it is complete.  It does not miss any one [[individual]], for in your justice systems on earth, the courts and justice system often miss those who are [[guilty]], those who have perpetrated crimes but were never detected.  There is no “missing” of these when the tally is added up for each individual.  Thank you.

===='''''[[Energy]]'''''====

===='''''[[Energy]]'''''====

MONJORONSON:  To forgive energetically means to neutralize a [[Violence|hostile]] or an unforgiving energy within you.  If you have an energy of loathing, hatred, animosity, regret or resentment—any of these [[negative]] [[memory]], energetic constructs in your [[being]], then you must remove them.  When I recommended to you to take on or request the [[presence]] of, and forgiving [[activity]] of [[Jesus]] within you, this is the request that you make of him.  However, if you were to forgive energetically, you would [[assume]] the Christness of Jesus to forgive and remove that energy from your [[mind]] and from your [[body]].  The [[emotional]], energetic supports for those [[memories]] would be gone; you would have removed them.  This is the step that precedes your assuming the “Master position,” that of the Master, where when something is directed to you for which you would have to forgive, you in the master position do not even accept that into your body or your mind.  You simply recognize what this person is saying, but do not have any [[negative]] investment of their [[action]] in you, whether in your [[body]] or in your [[mind]].

MONJORONSON:  To forgive energetically means to neutralize a [[Violence|hostile]] or an unforgiving energy within you.  If you have an energy of loathing, hatred, animosity, regret or resentment—any of these [[negative]] [[memory]], energetic constructs in your [[being]], then you must remove them.  When I recommended to you to take on or request the [[presence]] of, and forgiving [[activity]] of [[Jesus]] within you, this is the request that you make of him.  However, if you were to forgive energetically, you would [[assume]] the Christness of Jesus to forgive and remove that energy from your [[mind]] and from your [[body]].  The [[emotional]], energetic supports for those [[memories]] would be gone; you would have removed them.  This is the step that precedes your assuming the “Master position,” that of the Master, where when something is directed to you for which you would have to forgive, you in the master position do not even accept that into your body or your mind.  You simply recognize what this person is saying, but do not have any [[negative]] investment of their [[action]] in you, whether in your [[body]] or in your [[mind]].

   

   

To forgive energetically is to release all energy within your mind and your body.  You do this through your [[consciousness]]; you do this by becoming aware of yourself in a much deeper and complete level and depth, than you have heretofore.  You become more aware of yourself as a [[growing]], [[developing]] and [[evolving]] [[spiritual]] [[being]].  This requires you to sit in [[stillness]] and [[reflect]] upon yourself, how you feel.  And when you review a [[memory]] that is negative in [[nature]], where you have a need to forgive, you would review this to see where it resides in your being.  If you react in your body and your [http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_Pressure blood pressure] goes up, and your [[heart]] beat increases, and you feel [[Tension|tense]] in your muscles, then you must forgive this energetic memory in your body to release that, so you are at [[peace]].  And though you may not forget it, you have no hostile [[feelings]] [energy] about that memory of the [[incident]] that occurred.  So, your forgiving energetically is a thoroughgoing [[process]] of greater [[personal]] [[Self Evaluation|self-examination]], without being [[analytical]] or without being [[linear]] in this process.  You are heart-centered; you care for yourself as a spiritually growing individual to nurture yourself with the fruits of [[forgiveness]], which are [[love]] and [[patience]], [[tolerance]] and forbearance and all the other [[wonderful]] [[attributes]] of a master personality.  You grow, so that you remove the negative; you do not allow the negative in your body.  As you rise in your [[consciousness]] and your [[maturity]], less and less of the exterior negative [[influences]] reside in your mind or in your body.  Does this help?

To forgive energetically is to release all energy within your mind and your body.  You do this through your [[consciousness]]; you do this by becoming aware of yourself in a much deeper and complete level and depth, than you have heretofore.  You become more aware of yourself as a [[growing]], [[developing]] and [[evolving]] [[spiritual]] [[being]].  This requires you to sit in [[stillness]] and [[reflect]] upon yourself, how you feel.  And when you review a [[memory]] that is negative in [[nature]], where you have a need to forgive, you would review this to see where it resides in your being.  If you react in your body and your [https://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_Pressure blood pressure] goes up, and your [[heart]] beat increases, and you feel [[Tension|tense]] in your muscles, then you must forgive this energetic memory in your body to release that, so you are at [[peace]].  And though you may not forget it, you have no hostile [[feelings]] [energy] about that memory of the [[incident]] that occurred.  So, your forgiving energetically is a thoroughgoing [[process]] of greater [[personal]] [[Self Evaluation|self-examination]], without being [[analytical]] or without being [[linear]] in this process.  You are heart-centered; you care for yourself as a spiritually growing individual to nurture yourself with the fruits of [[forgiveness]], which are [[love]] and [[patience]], [[tolerance]] and forbearance and all the other [[wonderful]] [[attributes]] of a master personality.  You grow, so that you remove the negative; you do not allow the negative in your body.  As you rise in your [[consciousness]] and your [[maturity]], less and less of the exterior negative [[influences]] reside in your mind or in your body.  Does this help?

   

   

Vicki:  This does help.  It brings to mind something that I find myself doing:  Let’s say that throughout the day, when a [[negative]] [[thought]] enters my [[mind]], a lot of times I will just say verbally, “I’m not going to give any energy to this thought,” and oftentimes it requires almost a [[physical]] shift; I might get up from the couch and move or I might head in a different direction.  Is this helpful?  It seems to stop that negative thought from growing, but I am not in a [[state]] of [[meditation]] at that time.  What is your [[perception]] of that?

Vicki:  This does help.  It brings to mind something that I find myself doing:  Let’s say that throughout the day, when a [[negative]] [[thought]] enters my [[mind]], a lot of times I will just say verbally, “I’m not going to give any energy to this thought,” and oftentimes it requires almost a [[physical]] shift; I might get up from the couch and move or I might head in a different direction.  Is this helpful?  It seems to stop that negative thought from growing, but I am not in a [[state]] of [[meditation]] at that time.  What is your [[perception]] of that?

I’m going to move on to another question that I experience in meditation that has to do with energy.  I sometimes question the effectiveness of my efforts to [[manipulate]] and direct [[energy]].  A perfect example of this is when I [[wonder]], when I am in meditation, if I am truly [[effective]] in my [[intention]] to direct [[light]] and energy, toward a region of people, to facilitate [[healing]] on a [[planet]].  I might [[participate]] in this [[exercise]] with a [[group]] of people, and there are times when I’m wondering, am I in a deep enough state; am I doing enough to be [[effective]]?  Therefore, my question is:  “Is intention the key element here, or is there more?”  What can we do to become more effective in the direction and transfer of energies, so that we can contribute in this way?

I’m going to move on to another question that I experience in meditation that has to do with energy.  I sometimes question the effectiveness of my efforts to [[manipulate]] and direct [[energy]].  A perfect example of this is when I [[wonder]], when I am in meditation, if I am truly [[effective]] in my [[intention]] to direct [[light]] and energy, toward a region of people, to facilitate [[healing]] on a [[planet]].  I might [[participate]] in this [[exercise]] with a [[group]] of people, and there are times when I’m wondering, am I in a deep enough state; am I doing enough to be [[effective]]?  Therefore, my question is:  “Is intention the key element here, or is there more?”  What can we do to become more effective in the direction and transfer of energies, so that we can contribute in this way?

   

   

MONJORONSON:  Your activity is important and it must be coupled with an [[intention]].  It is much like being an archer:  You have the bow, you have the arrows and you have the target sitting in your closet, but you do not hit the target until you [[activate]] your intention to [[practice]] your archery[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zen_in_the_Art_of_Archery].  Therefore, you set up your target and you grasp the bow and arrow; you draw back and point to the target and you release it.  So too, must you [[work]] with your intentions and your energies for [[good]], for the outworking of [[service]] for the benefit of others and your whole world.  Intention is [http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/paramount paramount], that you know what you are about to do, and what will occur.  You [[visualize]] this—what will occur—in your [[mind]].  It is not only the intent of doing the activity of sending this energy, but to also “see,” to be conscious of your energy, moving forward towards those people.  

MONJORONSON:  Your activity is important and it must be coupled with an [[intention]].  It is much like being an archer:  You have the bow, you have the arrows and you have the target sitting in your closet, but you do not hit the target until you [[activate]] your intention to [[practice]] your archery[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zen_in_the_Art_of_Archery].  Therefore, you set up your target and you grasp the bow and arrow; you draw back and point to the target and you release it.  So too, must you [[work]] with your intentions and your energies for [[good]], for the outworking of [[service]] for the benefit of others and your whole world.  Intention is [https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/paramount paramount], that you know what you are about to do, and what will occur.  You [[visualize]] this—what will occur—in your [[mind]].  It is not only the intent of doing the activity of sending this energy, but to also “see,” to be conscious of your energy, moving forward towards those people.  

   

   

Do you understand so far?  (Vicki:  Yes, I do.)  And then you actually engage the whole [[process]]; you sit in [[quietness]], you are conscious of the target, you want to send your [[thoughts]] and energy and [[consciousness]] to that target for good, and then you project that to the target.  You ask this to be conditioned upon the [[divine]] and right and [[perfect]] outworking for those involved.  You also condition it by stating that you have no self-interest in this.  Just as with releasing the arrow, you release your energy as you project it to others knowing that your intention [[guides]] it to the target.  Do not fret about your effectiveness.

Do you understand so far?  (Vicki:  Yes, I do.)  And then you actually engage the whole [[process]]; you sit in [[quietness]], you are conscious of the target, you want to send your [[thoughts]] and energy and [[consciousness]] to that target for good, and then you project that to the target.  You ask this to be conditioned upon the [[divine]] and right and [[perfect]] outworking for those involved.  You also condition it by stating that you have no self-interest in this.  Just as with releasing the arrow, you release your energy as you project it to others knowing that your intention [[guides]] it to the target.  Do not fret about your effectiveness.

===='''''[[Chakras]]'''''====

===='''''[[Chakras]]'''''====

MONJORONSON:  I would be glad to try, to your satisfaction.  The energy that emanates to all, [[originates]] from [[Paradise]].  Each individual is invested with an energetic [[connection]] with Paradise, which enters through the top of your [[body]] ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sahasrara crown chakra]) and exits your [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muladhara base chakra], and grounds itself into your [[planet]]’s [[center]], thus making the [[circuit]] of energy that [[flows]] from the [[First Source and Center|Source]] and back to the Source.  What makes your [[body]] other than simply [[material]] is the living [[force]] within it, which is energetic, that it is [[manipulated]] by your [[mind]].  The chakras are the “transformer” locations—I will use these [[words]] very loosely, as there are not sufficient descriptors to describe these centers and your [[body]] [[system]] adequately, but I also want to make this understandable to those who know very little about energy and chakras.  The energy enters through your crown chakra at the top of your head, and moves through your body core.  At this time, at this [[moment]], when this occurs, it is moving through an energy system, which [[interface]]s with your body [[mechanism]], through the [[manipulation]] of your [[mind]].  You are a working, mobile body of transformers that transform the energy in the various centers of your body.  These centers are manipulated and controlled by your mind; these are mind function centers that [[interface]], [[interact]], with the [[universe]] energy [[flowing]] through your [[body]], through the [[chakras]].  

MONJORONSON:  I would be glad to try, to your satisfaction.  The energy that emanates to all, [[originates]] from [[Paradise]].  Each individual is invested with an energetic [[connection]] with Paradise, which enters through the top of your [[body]] ([https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sahasrara crown chakra]) and exits your [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muladhara base chakra], and grounds itself into your [[planet]]’s [[center]], thus making the [[circuit]] of energy that [[flows]] from the [[First Source and Center|Source]] and back to the Source.  What makes your [[body]] other than simply [[material]] is the living [[force]] within it, which is energetic, that it is [[manipulated]] by your [[mind]].  The chakras are the “transformer” locations—I will use these [[words]] very loosely, as there are not sufficient descriptors to describe these centers and your [[body]] [[system]] adequately, but I also want to make this understandable to those who know very little about energy and chakras.  The energy enters through your crown chakra at the top of your head, and moves through your body core.  At this time, at this [[moment]], when this occurs, it is moving through an energy system, which [[interface]]s with your body [[mechanism]], through the [[manipulation]] of your [[mind]].  You are a working, mobile body of transformers that transform the energy in the various centers of your body.  These centers are manipulated and controlled by your mind; these are mind function centers that [[interface]], [[interact]], with the [[universe]] energy [[flowing]] through your [[body]], through the [[chakras]].  

   

   

These areas have been noted by various cultural [[healing]] [[traditions]] around the world, through the millennia of [[human]] [[existence]].  Your [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_civilization western civilizations], [[technologically]] oriented, truly do not [[appreciate]] the multiple layers of activity in energy that [[course]]s through your body, which is [[control]]led, manipulated by your [[mind]].  The [[simplicity]] of a [[brain]] that only controls the [[functions]] of your body is an absurdly simple [[mechanistic]] explanation for something that is grandly intricate and which is [[beautifully]] assembled and [[balanced]].  The [[Life Carriers]], who [[designed]] your [[body]], have done so with infinite care, and have done a [[wonderful]] job for this [http://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Paper_36#36:2._THE_LIFE_CARRIER_WORLDS decimal planet].  The chromosomal [[gene]] [[patterns]] that bring about the design and fulfillment of the design of your physical body, are wonderful constructs made by the [[Life Carriers]].  

These areas have been noted by various cultural [[healing]] [[traditions]] around the world, through the millennia of [[human]] [[existence]].  Your [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_civilization western civilizations], [[technologically]] oriented, truly do not [[appreciate]] the multiple layers of activity in energy that [[course]]s through your body, which is [[control]]led, manipulated by your [[mind]].  The [[simplicity]] of a [[brain]] that only controls the [[functions]] of your body is an absurdly simple [[mechanistic]] explanation for something that is grandly intricate and which is [[beautifully]] assembled and [[balanced]].  The [[Life Carriers]], who [[designed]] your [[body]], have done so with infinite care, and have done a [[wonderful]] job for this [https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Paper_36#36:2._THE_LIFE_CARRIER_WORLDS decimal planet].  The chromosomal [[gene]] [[patterns]] that bring about the design and fulfillment of the design of your physical body, are wonderful constructs made by the [[Life Carriers]].  

   

   

What is also missing within that [[molecular]] construct is an overlay of the multiple energetic “[[DNA]]” and “[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rna RNA]” that [[course]] through your [[body]].  You do not see this; your [[scientists]] do not see it, though to us and the [[Life Carriers]], it is very visible if they were to look at your body and go within to see the various layers that are [[working]].  Your [[mind]] [[controls]] the various [[chakras]], and how they [[perform]].  If you were raised [by your [[parents]]] to feel powerless and incapable, then your [[power]] [[center]], your [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manipura third chakra], would be shut down to some [[degree]].  So how you manage the energy that comes to you is a matter of [[learning]] and what comes with you in your [[temperament]] before you were born.  There are many layers that [[Influence|affect]] the [[functioning]] of your chakra and how you [http://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Projection_of_Your_State_of_Being-2008-12-07 project yourself].  If you feel inadequate and powerless, inferior, then you will be incapable of projecting your [[consciousness]] effectively to help others.  You would be doing that out of an inner need, and the effectiveness of your [[prayers]] and [http://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Projection_of_Your_State_of_Being-2008-12-07 projections] of [[consciousness]] is most effective when it is not done as a compensation for your [[limitations]] that you received in your learning [[environment]].  Are you beginning to appreciate the [[complexity]] of your livingness?

What is also missing within that [[molecular]] construct is an overlay of the multiple energetic “[[DNA]]” and “[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rna RNA]” that [[course]] through your [[body]].  You do not see this; your [[scientists]] do not see it, though to us and the [[Life Carriers]], it is very visible if they were to look at your body and go within to see the various layers that are [[working]].  Your [[mind]] [[controls]] the various [[chakras]], and how they [[perform]].  If you were raised [by your [[parents]]] to feel powerless and incapable, then your [[power]] [[center]], your [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manipura third chakra], would be shut down to some [[degree]].  So how you manage the energy that comes to you is a matter of [[learning]] and what comes with you in your [[temperament]] before you were born.  There are many layers that [[Influence|affect]] the [[functioning]] of your chakra and how you [https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Projection_of_Your_State_of_Being-2008-12-07 project yourself].  If you feel inadequate and powerless, inferior, then you will be incapable of projecting your [[consciousness]] effectively to help others.  You would be doing that out of an inner need, and the effectiveness of your [[prayers]] and [https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Projection_of_Your_State_of_Being-2008-12-07 projections] of [[consciousness]] is most effective when it is not done as a compensation for your [[limitations]] that you received in your learning [[environment]].  Are you beginning to appreciate the [[complexity]] of your livingness?

   

   

Vicki:  Oh, absolutely!  In fact, this will take me some time to digest this.  Thank you for such a thorough explanation on many levels and in much depth.  That has been truly informing; I am looking forward to reading this transcript over again and pondering everything you’ve said.

Vicki:  Oh, absolutely!  In fact, this will take me some time to digest this.  Thank you for such a thorough explanation on many levels and in much depth.  That has been truly informing; I am looking forward to reading this transcript over again and pondering everything you’ve said.

===='''''[[Materialization]]'''''====

===='''''[[Materialization]]'''''====

The first question is:  Your [[personalization]] from [[spirit]] to [[flesh]] will bring with it certain [[potentials]] that I am sure we have not considered, or are not aware of.  And, though some of these potentials, for different reasons, must remain a [[mystery]] to us, there are possibly others that may broaden our [[understanding]] of your [[work]] on our [[planet]], and in turn assist us in our [[co-creative]] work.  So I ask this question:  How will your [[personalization]] [[change]] your [[ability]] to function as our [[Magisterial Son]], and how will this benefit us?

The first question is:  Your [[personalization]] from [[spirit]] to [[flesh]] will bring with it certain [[potentials]] that I am sure we have not considered, or are not aware of.  And, though some of these potentials, for different reasons, must remain a [[mystery]] to us, there are possibly others that may broaden our [[understanding]] of your [[work]] on our [[planet]], and in turn assist us in our [[co-creative]] work.  So I ask this question:  How will your [[personalization]] [[change]] your [https://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aptitude ability] to function as our [[Magisterial Son]], and how will this benefit us?

   

   

MONJORONSON:  My [[materialization]] will be very much like what occurred for Christ [[Michael]], where he became a “captive,” so to speak, during this era in his [[material]] [[body]].  There is a giving up of the [[divine]] [[personality]], the self, to move about in the universe, though there is complete [[access]] through the activity of [[mind]].  What you and the world will gain is proximity to me in a [[meaning]]ful way, where I am visible, I am there, you can [[touch]] me, you can [[converse]] with me, I am not removed.  And, I will remain day-after-day, year-after-year, decade-after-decade, century-after-century, until my [[work]] is complete with you.  What I give up is my ability to traverse, much as you traverse to the store, to the beach, and to the mountains, for instance.  It is much like being a paraplegic, confined to your [[home]], to your room, though there is still the [[capacity]] to [[think]] and [[create]] and to be of [[influence]] to those around you.  For myself, I would be confined in similar ways to this planet, though there are still great avenues for me to [[explore]] and use, as I am needed about in this [[local universe]] and beyond.  

MONJORONSON:  My [[materialization]] will be very much like what occurred for Christ [[Michael]], where he became a “captive,” so to speak, during this era in his [[material]] [[body]].  There is a giving up of the [[divine]] [[personality]], the self, to move about in the universe, though there is complete [https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/access access] through the activity of [[mind]].  What you and the world will gain is proximity to me in a [[meaning]]ful way, where I am visible, I am there, you can [[touch]] me, you can [[converse]] with me, I am not removed.  And, I will remain day-after-day, year-after-year, decade-after-decade, century-after-century, until my [[work]] is complete with you.  What I give up is my ability to traverse, much as you traverse to the store, to the beach, and to the mountains, for instance.  It is much like being a paraplegic, confined to your [[home]], to your room, though there is still the [[capacity]] to [[think]] and [[create]] and to be of [[influence]] to those around you.  For myself, I would be confined in similar ways to this planet, though there are still great avenues for me to [[explore]] and use, as I am needed about in this [[local universe]] and beyond.  

   

   

It is [[essential]] that each [[planet]] have a meaningful [[connection]] to the [[Divine]], that there is an acquaintanceship—and not only an acquaintanceship, but a [[friendship]]—a familiarity that is filled with [[awe]] and [[respect]], which states to the [[mortal]], “there is more.”  This is the life you will engage and enjoy eventually in the [[infinity]] of your [[ascendant career]].  There is life beyond this [[material]] [[mortal]] [[existence]], and I represent that completely.  It is important—my life in the [[flesh]]—will be one of the most important [[developments]] and [[revelations]] of all the [http://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=The_Urantia_Text_-_Contents#Part_III._The_History_of_Urantia history of Urantia], and the whole [[population]] of this world, in the [[present]] [[time]] and in the [[future]] [[generations]].  I will remain long enough that your [[history]] on this planet will be indelibly inked with the [[fact]] of my [[presence]] and the impact that presence has, will have, and has had upon your world in all realms of human life and living.  Nothing will be untouched by my [[presence]].  

It is [[essential]] that each [[planet]] have a meaningful [[connection]] to the [[Divine]], that there is an acquaintanceship—and not only an acquaintanceship, but a [[friendship]]—a familiarity that is filled with [[awe]] and [[respect]], which states to the [[mortal]], “there is more.”  This is the life you will engage and enjoy eventually in the [[infinity]] of your [[ascendant career]].  There is life beyond this [[material]] [[mortal]] [[existence]], and I represent that completely.  It is important—my life in the [[flesh]]—will be one of the most important [[developments]] and [[revelations]] of all the [https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=The_Urantia_Text_-_Contents#Part_III._The_History_of_Urantia history of Urantia], and the whole [[population]] of this world, in the [[present]] [[time]] and in the [[future]] [[generations]].  I will remain long enough that your [[history]] on this planet will be indelibly inked with the [[fact]] of my [[presence]] and the impact that presence has, will have, and has had upon your world in all realms of human life and living.  Nothing will be untouched by my [[presence]].  

   

   

Yet, I will also be your [[neighbor]]; I will be available to sit down over dinner, a drink—tea, coffee, water or wine—with you, and enjoy life as a [[mortal]] with you, so that you can know me as a [[friend]], for in the [[universe]], all are [[friends]].  We are all neighbors, though there are many that you will not see for many, many lifetimes into the [[future]] in other realms of your [[ascendant career]]; they are nonetheless friendly and amenable to you, if you are able to see them and relate to them.  So it is [[necessary]] for a [http://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Paper_20 Divine Son] to make the [[descent]] to this [[mortal]] realm, to be with you so that your [[journey]] becomes more real to you, more [[personal]], and that your [[decisions]] and your [[actions]] and your [[thoughts]] become more in [[alignment]] with your [[ascendant career]], and that you begin to contribute to the ends of your ascendant career, right now, in this [[moment]].  I am here to help you [[individually]], and as a [[civilization]].  Thank you.

Yet, I will also be your [[neighbor]]; I will be available to sit down over dinner, a drink—tea, coffee, water or wine—with you, and enjoy life as a [[mortal]] with you, so that you can know me as a [[friend]], for in the [[universe]], all are [[friends]].  We are all neighbors, though there are many that you will not see for many, many lifetimes into the [[future]] in other realms of your [[ascendant career]]; they are nonetheless friendly and amenable to you, if you are able to see them and relate to them.  So it is [[necessary]] for a [https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Paper_20 Divine Son] to make the [[descent]] to this [[mortal]] realm, to be with you so that your [[journey]] becomes more real to you, more [[personal]], and that your [[decisions]] and your [[actions]] and your [[thoughts]] become more in [[alignment]] with your [[ascendant career]], and that you begin to contribute to the ends of your ascendant career, right now, in this [[moment]].  I am here to help you [[individually]], and as a [[civilization]].  Thank you.

   

   

Vicki:  Thank you.  That was very thorough, and I can truly see the benefit in the length of time you will be with us, and how that will maximize and increase your ability to [[affect]] our civilization.  Thank you.

Vicki:  Thank you.  That was very thorough, and I can truly see the benefit in the length of time you will be with us, and how that will maximize and increase your ability to [[affect]] our civilization.  Thank you.

   

   

MONJORONSON:  You see what [[effect]] Christ [[Michael]] had in the [[flesh]] as [[Jesus]], for his stay of 36 mortal years here.  What would the impact be of my life upon your world and your [[history]] if I remain for three thousand years, for example?  It would be tremendous.

MONJORONSON:  You see what [[effect]] Christ [[Michael]] had in the [[flesh]] as [[Jesus]], for his stay of 36 mortal years here.  What would the impact be of my life upon your world and your [[history]] if I remain for three thousand years, for example?  It would be tremendous.

===='''''[[Magisterial Mission]]'''', '''''[[Growth]]'''''====

 

Vicki:  It would be tremendous, for sure.  My next question has to do with the [[confusion]] [of] what a [[Magisterial Son]] is, even with the [[information]] that we receive in the [[Urantia Book]], it’s still quite confusing to many of us.  And so my next question has to do with one area of confusion for me that has to do with [[understanding]] your [[growth]] [[potential]] [as a] [http://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Paper_20 Descending Son of God].  It is my understanding that as a Magisterial or [[Paradise Son]] you are a fully unified [[personality]], conceived in [[perfection]], but with a growth potential.  In other [[words]], you [[function]] within the experiential realm of [[the Supreme]].  Am I correct?  (Yes.)  As a [[mortal]] then, when I think of growth, I [[think]] of a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trial_and_error trial and error] [[experience]], and it is hard for me to grasp how one grows, who is within themselves perfect.  My question is: how can you add [[growth]] experience to [[perfection]]?  Can you explain how your growth is similar to or different from our mortal experience of growth as [http://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Paper_40 ascending sons of God]?

===='''''[[Magisterial Mission]]''''', '''''[[Growth]]'''''====

Vicki:  It would be tremendous, for sure.  My next question has to do with the [[confusion]] [of] what a [[Magisterial Son]] is, even with the [[information]] that we receive in the [[Urantia Book]], it’s still quite confusing to many of us.  And so my next question has to do with one area of confusion for me that has to do with [[understanding]] your [[growth]] [[potential]] [as a] [https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Paper_20 Descending Son of God].  It is my understanding that as a Magisterial or [[Paradise Son]] you are a fully unified [[personality]], conceived in [[perfection]], but with a growth potential.  In other [[words]], you [[function]] within the experiential realm of [[the Supreme]].  Am I correct?  (Yes.)  As a [[mortal]] then, when I think of growth, I [[think]] of a [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trial_and_error trial and error] [[experience]], and it is hard for me to grasp how one grows, who is within themselves perfect.  My question is: how can you add [[growth]] experience to [[perfection]]?  Can you explain how your growth is similar to or different from our mortal experience of growth as [https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Paper_40 ascending sons of God]?

   

   

MONJORONSON:  The kernel, the [[seed]] germ within your question is the [[statement]] about trial and error.  My participation, for example, in your world is not a matter of [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trial_and_error trial and error].  It is truly the [[expression]] of the [[development]], much as viewing a flower bulb that is planted in the ground that sprouts in spring.  It is a dormant bulb in the chill of winter, [then] puts down little rootlets, receives nourishment and begins to [[grow]] and push through a first sprout into the sunlight, showing, “this is the way.”  As you see this bulb develop into many green leaves and finally a [[center]] shoot, which is the stem of the flower and the opening of the petals of the flower, the stamen and the color of the bloom, this was not trial and error, was it?  (No.)  But truly the [[expression]] of a known and given plan to begin with.   

MONJORONSON:  The kernel, the [[seed]] germ within your question is the [[statement]] about trial and error.  My participation, for example, in your world is not a matter of [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trial_and_error trial and error].  It is truly the [[expression]] of the [[development]], much as viewing a flower bulb that is planted in the ground that sprouts in spring.  It is a dormant bulb in the chill of winter, [then] puts down little rootlets, receives nourishment and begins to [[grow]] and push through a first sprout into the sunlight, showing, “this is the way.”  As you see this bulb develop into many green leaves and finally a [[center]] shoot, which is the stem of the flower and the opening of the petals of the flower, the stamen and the color of the bloom, this was not trial and error, was it?  (No.)  But truly the [[expression]] of a known and given plan to begin with.   

   

   

Your world has not [[experienced]] the full and perfect bloom of [[growth]].  You have, even as individuals, used trial and error to grow; this is the beginning of experience, [[reflecting]] upon experience in getting [[wisdom]] to guide future [[decisions]].  Your [[civilizations]] have not had the [[wonderful]] [[opportunity]] to grow into [[perfection]], into [[sustainability]]—never in the [http://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=The_Urantia_Text_-_Contents#Part_III._The_History_of_Urantia history of this planet] has any [[civilization]] ever [[survived]] and sustained itself and bloomed further.  All have died, withered and succumbed to the rigors of history and the weaknesses of [[humanity]].  I am here to help unfold the [[perfect]] [[plan]] of [[development]] for your world.  

Your world has not [[experienced]] the full and perfect bloom of [[growth]].  You have, even as individuals, used trial and error to grow; this is the beginning of experience, [[reflecting]] upon experience in getting [[wisdom]] to guide future [[decisions]].  Your [[civilizations]] have not had the [[wonderful]] [[opportunity]] to grow into [[perfection]], into [[sustainability]]—never in the [https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=The_Urantia_Text_-_Contents#Part_III._The_History_of_Urantia history of this planet] has any [[civilization]] ever [[survived]] and sustained itself and bloomed further.  All have died, withered and succumbed to the rigors of history and the weaknesses of [[humanity]].  I am here to help unfold the [[perfect]] plan of [[development]] for your world.  

   

   

How I “grow,” (and put the word “grow” in quotes, please), is through the addition of experience of [[unfolding]] this perfect plan for [[Urantia]], for your civilizations, for this world, and for [[individuals]] who can grow into perfection more easily than they have in the past history of your [[fractured]] and tumultuous planet.  My addition to growth is the addition of experience to [[God the Supreme]], that experiential element through a [[Divine]] [[Being]], who adds and augments the completion of [[the Supreme]].  Yes, I am perfect, I am Divine, yet experience is something I gain in living this way.  I gain experience though—at this [[moment]]—when I am not materially [[manifest]] on your world, I gain experience and a contribution to God the Supreme by being [[physically]], corporeally present on your world and experience the [[difficulties]] and rigors of being a [[mortal]] captive, a mortal material captive on a [[planet]].  This is—though I have experienced that before—completely new, for this world, for this planet.  So there is something new to be gained for God the Supreme, myself, and in turn, we give so much to you in doing so.  Does this help?

How I “grow,” (and put the word “grow” in quotes, please), is through the addition of experience of [[unfolding]] this perfect plan for [[Urantia]], for your civilizations, for this world, and for [[individuals]] who can grow into perfection more easily than they have in the past history of your [[fractured]] and tumultuous planet.  My addition to growth is the addition of experience to [[God the Supreme]], that experiential element through a [[Divine]] [[Being]], who adds and augments the completion of [[the Supreme]].  Yes, I am perfect, I am Divine, yet experience is something I gain in living this way.  I gain experience though—at this [[moment]]—when I am not materially [[manifest]] on your world, I gain experience and a contribution to God the Supreme by being [[physically]], corporeally present on your world and experience the [[difficulties]] and rigors of being a [[mortal]] captive, a mortal material captive on a [[planet]].  This is—though I have experienced that before—completely new, for this world, for this planet.  So there is something new to be gained for God the Supreme, myself, and in turn, we give so much to you in doing so.  Does this help?

   

   

Vicki:  Yes, it does, it does.  Thank you.

Vicki:  Yes, it does, it does.  Thank you.

===='''''[[Divinity]]'''''====

===='''''[[Divinity]]'''''====

In thinking about Michael’s bestowal, there were times when it appeared that individuals were unable to [[perceive]] his [[Divinity]], which is surprising to me, and so I’m asking when you [[personalize]] and people come in your [[presence]], will they always be able to perceive your Divinity, or is there more to this that I may not understand?

In thinking about Michael’s bestowal, there were times when it appeared that individuals were unable to [[perceive]] his [[Divinity]], which is surprising to me, and so I’m asking when you [[personalize]] and people come in your [[presence]], will they always be able to perceive your Divinity, or is there more to this that I may not understand?

Vicki:  Thank you.  And unless you have something more you would like to share, that concludes our session.

Vicki:  Thank you.  And unless you have something more you would like to share, that concludes our session.

   

   

MONJORONSON:  I am most pleased with the tenor, content and sincerity of this forum.  You have proven yourself to be of good capacity to engage that which you only surmise.  Your questions are insightful; know that they are guided by those who counsel with you throughout the week, in my absence.  Trust those higher leadings to assist you to ask meaningful questions that reveal various layers of awareness to those who read these words and who hear this speech.  Thank you and good day.  I project my blessing upon all of you, who are present here today, and who read these words.  Know that even though you see the ink on the page, and the black letters on the white paper, the meaning of these words comes through to you, and enters you at a level, which is far beyond the material.  Thank you.

MONJORONSON:  I am most pleased with the [[Tone|tenor]], [[content]] and [[sincerity]] of this forum.  You have proven yourself to be of [[good]] [[capacity]] to engage that which you only surmise.  Your questions are [[insight]]ful; know that they are [[guided]] by those who [[counsel]] with you throughout the week, in my [[absence]].  [[Trust]] those higher leadings to [[assist]] you to ask meaningful questions that reveal various layers of [[awareness]] to those who [[read]] these [[words]] and who hear this [[speech]].   

 

Thank you and good day.  I project my [[blessing]] upon all of you, who are present here today, and who read these [[words]].  Know that even though you see the ink on the page, and the black letters on the white paper, the [[meaning]] of these words comes through to you, and enters you at a level, which is far beyond the [[material]].  Thank you.

   

   

Vicki:  And thank you, Monjoronson.  What a wonderful statement.  I think we are done now.  

Vicki:  And thank you, Monjoronson.  What a [[wonderful]] [[statement]].  I think we are done now.  

   

   

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