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Being somewhat of a [[Peace|peaceful]] [[person]], I struggled with the militaristic [[metaphor]] we discussed last week, regarding the teaching of [[history]].  It was one I could not ignore.  It [[forced]] me to look beyond the destructive [[nature]] of the militaristic [[mind]], and seek the [[characteristics]] of a [[strategic]] [[mind]].  And then I could see that when we engage our rightful mind in concert with a strategic mind, that it guides us in the right direction.  Could you speak to this, please?
 
Being somewhat of a [[Peace|peaceful]] [[person]], I struggled with the militaristic [[metaphor]] we discussed last week, regarding the teaching of [[history]].  It was one I could not ignore.  It [[forced]] me to look beyond the destructive [[nature]] of the militaristic [[mind]], and seek the [[characteristics]] of a [[strategic]] [[mind]].  And then I could see that when we engage our rightful mind in concert with a strategic mind, that it guides us in the right direction.  Could you speak to this, please?
 
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MONJORONSON:  Most certainly.  Let me delve a bit into your [[thinking]], or your estimation of the [http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military military] mind.  The militarism of your [[species]] is organized [[warfare]], and oftentimes it has been a [[necessity]] of [[survival]] for those tribes and clans and nations to have military [[leaders]].  Do not [[confuse]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MURDER murder]—the [[act]] of murder and the [[intention]] of murder—with the military mind.  A military mind is the [[organization]] of [[forces]] for aggression, which is contrary to [[our teachings]], but is supported by [[defense]] of [[individuals]] to [[survive]].  We wish you to [[appreciate]] the [[necessity]] in primitive [[cultures]], the [[presence]] of [[war]] [[machines]], of legions of soldiers to protect the nation and the culture and the [[ethos]] of their people.
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MONJORONSON:  Most certainly.  Let me delve a bit into your [[thinking]], or your estimation of the [https://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military military] mind.  The militarism of your [[species]] is organized [[warfare]], and oftentimes it has been a [[necessity]] of [[survival]] for those tribes and clans and nations to have military [[leaders]].  Do not [[confuse]] [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MURDER murder]—the [[act]] of murder and the [[intention]] of murder—with the military mind.  A military mind is the [[organization]] of [[forces]] for aggression, which is contrary to [[our teachings]], but is supported by [[defense]] of [[individuals]] to [[survive]].  We wish you to [[appreciate]] the [[necessity]] in primitive [[cultures]], the [[presence]] of [[war]] [[machines]], of legions of soldiers to protect the nation and the culture and the [[ethos]] of their people.
 
   
 
   
Had there not been those protective [[forces]], your [[Genetics|gene pool]] now would be much diminished and primitive, compared to what you have now.  All the people of [[intelligence]] and [[The Arts|arts]] would have long been gone, and you would be a brutal [[race]], even more so than you are.  I say these [[things]] for you to [[appreciate]] the [[difference]] between a murderous [[behavior]] in [[thinking]] and the [[necessity]] of [[war]], of armies and navies to protect the homeland.  In no way do we condone intentional [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MURDER murder], or the intentional invasion of innocent nations and the destruction of [[cultures]].  This is contrary to all the teachings that we provide to your world.  Having said that, yes, there is great [[necessity]] to appreciate the [[strategic]] importance of the [[work]] that I do.  Please refresh me with your question, as this one has lost his way.  (Laughter.)
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Had there not been those protective [[forces]], your [[Genetics|gene pool]] now would be much diminished and primitive, compared to what you have now.  All the people of [[intelligence]] and [[The Arts|arts]] would have long been gone, and you would be a brutal [[race]], even more so than you are.  I say these [[things]] for you to [[appreciate]] the [[difference]] between a murderous [[behavior]] in [[thinking]] and the [[necessity]] of [[war]], of armies and navies to protect the homeland.  In no way do we condone intentional [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MURDER murder], or the intentional invasion of innocent nations and the destruction of [[cultures]].  This is contrary to all the teachings that we provide to your world.  Having said that, yes, there is great [[necessity]] to appreciate the [[strategic]] importance of the [[work]] that I do.  Please refresh me with your question, as this one has lost his way.  (Laughter.)
 
   
 
   
 
*The characteristics of the strategic mind
 
*The characteristics of the strategic mind
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Vicki:  Thank you, MONJORONSON, and what you are engaging us in when you ask us to become involved in mapping a sustainable future is strategic thinking that is in [[essence]] strategic planning.  Is that correct?
 
Vicki:  Thank you, MONJORONSON, and what you are engaging us in when you ask us to become involved in mapping a sustainable future is strategic thinking that is in [[essence]] strategic planning.  Is that correct?
 
   
 
   
MONJORONSON:  Most definitely.  The [[Most Highs]] operate on the strategic level all the time.  They operate in the “affairs of mankind,”[http://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Book_of_Daniel#Chapter_4] [[meaning]] that they operate in the venue of global [[governments]], national governments, of huge planning commissions, and so on.  They [[work]] with those [[individuals]] who can have an [[affect]] upon the outcome of large [[movements]] of [[humanity]]’s [[thinking]] and [[culture]].  The strategist truly who lays out the grand plans for the [[healing]] of your world—that was Christ [[Michael]].  Christ Michael simply did not sit in [[Salvington]] and say to those below him in the [[hierarchy]], “Heal this”—he simply did not!  He was there with the [[Most Highs]], with those in [[Uversa]], and those in [[Edentia]] and [[Norlatiadek]].  He had all of those on board, [[sharing]] his [[thoughts]], his plans, his [[desires]], asking for contribution.  
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MONJORONSON:  Most definitely.  The [[Most Highs]] operate on the strategic level all the time.  They operate in the “affairs of mankind,”[https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Book_of_Daniel#Chapter_4] [[meaning]] that they operate in the venue of global [[governments]], national governments, of huge planning commissions, and so on.  They [[work]] with those [[individuals]] who can have an [[affect]] upon the outcome of large [[movements]] of [[humanity]]’s [[thinking]] and [[culture]].  The strategist truly who lays out the grand plans for the [[healing]] of your world—that was Christ [[Michael]].  Christ Michael simply did not sit in [[Salvington]] and say to those below him in the [[hierarchy]], “Heal this”—he simply did not!  He was there with the [[Most Highs]], with those in [[Uversa]], and those in [[Edentia]] and [[Norlatiadek]].  He had all of those on board, [[sharing]] his [[thoughts]], his plans, his [[desires]], asking for contribution.  
 
   
 
   
 
The workings of managing a [[local universe]] are not much [[different]] than a very beneficent [[administration]] of a global [[government]] or corporation.  It requires [[coordination]], [[personal]] contact, joining of [[minds]], seeking those [[opinions]] which are differing, and mapping out, as you say, alternatives to a [[course]] of [[action]], as the [[reality]] in these four [[dimensions]] of your world begin to unfold.  In this grand strategy of [[healing]] the [[planets]] that were in [[Isolation|quarantine]], particularly in the most difficult planets—this and two others—it requires a nimble manager and tactician to [[work]] with [[events]] as they [[unfold]].  The [[human]] [[species]] of [[Urantia]] is wildly unpredictable and self-serving, even in the face of [[logical]] and [[rational]] outcomes, which one would [[choose]].  It would seem that many times [[leaders]] and nations of your world would rather shoot themselves in the foot than to say, “yes” to their [[opposition]].  So we have a [[difficult]] time moving ahead, as there is so many undercurrents and eddies in the [[good]] [[flow]] of the working order of [[administration]] on your world.  
 
The workings of managing a [[local universe]] are not much [[different]] than a very beneficent [[administration]] of a global [[government]] or corporation.  It requires [[coordination]], [[personal]] contact, joining of [[minds]], seeking those [[opinions]] which are differing, and mapping out, as you say, alternatives to a [[course]] of [[action]], as the [[reality]] in these four [[dimensions]] of your world begin to unfold.  In this grand strategy of [[healing]] the [[planets]] that were in [[Isolation|quarantine]], particularly in the most difficult planets—this and two others—it requires a nimble manager and tactician to [[work]] with [[events]] as they [[unfold]].  The [[human]] [[species]] of [[Urantia]] is wildly unpredictable and self-serving, even in the face of [[logical]] and [[rational]] outcomes, which one would [[choose]].  It would seem that many times [[leaders]] and nations of your world would rather shoot themselves in the foot than to say, “yes” to their [[opposition]].  So we have a [[difficult]] time moving ahead, as there is so many undercurrents and eddies in the [[good]] [[flow]] of the working order of [[administration]] on your world.  
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*Right-mindedness
 
   
 
   
Vicki:  Yes, they do, and we [[appreciate]] the [[insight]].  One thing it [[touched]] upon for me was the piece that you [[shared]] with a [[group]] of us, in our group [[prayer]], and that is the idea of “right-mindedness”.  In order for us to become [[effective]], [[co-creative]] [[partners]] in this [[process]], we not only have to engage in [[strategic]] [[thinking]] and strategic planning, but we have to do it with [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_mindfulness#Right_mindfulness right-mindedness].  So I’m wondering if maybe you could help us in describing what you mean as “[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_mindfulness#Right_mindfulness right-mindedness]?”
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Vicki:  Yes, they do, and we [[appreciate]] the [[insight]].  One thing it [[touched]] upon for me was the piece that you [[shared]] with a [[group]] of us, in our group [[prayer]], and that is the idea of “right-mindedness”.  In order for us to become [[effective]], [[co-creative]] [[partners]] in this [[process]], we not only have to engage in [[strategic]] [[thinking]] and strategic planning, but we have to do it with [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_mindfulness#Right_mindfulness right-mindedness].  So I’m wondering if maybe you could help us in describing what you mean as “[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_mindfulness#Right_mindfulness right-mindedness]?”
 
   
 
   
MONJORONSON:  Most certainly.  As you can see, we are [[growing]] you into the very breadth and depth of your [[personality]], by asking you to think [[strategically]], while as well, at the same time, [[thinking]] “rightfully.”  [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_mindfulness#Right_mindfulness Right thinking] is [[essential]] in the greatest and grandest [[developments]] of the [[universe]].  The [[ascendant career]] begins by right thinking, by being [[conscious]] of what you are [[thinking]], and then [[choosing]] to [[act]] on that.  Right thinking is [[observing]] your life; it is taking the observer position of your life.  [[Mortal]] [[progress]] then falls ahead rapidly, when you begin to [[observe]] yourself thinking, seeing [[choices]], making decisions and [[acting]] on them.  When you are not observing yourself in your [[thinking]], to make those [[choices]], you are simply reacting and oftentimes it is hit or miss, whether your choosing follows along right thinking or not.  You have a much higher [[probability]] of moving ahead in your [[spiritual]] [[ascendant career]] rapidly, when you are the [[observer]] of yourself.  
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MONJORONSON:  Most certainly.  As you can see, we are [[growing]] you into the very breadth and depth of your [[personality]], by asking you to think [[strategically]], while as well, at the same time, [[thinking]] “rightfully.”  [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_mindfulness#Right_mindfulness Right thinking] is [[essential]] in the greatest and grandest [[developments]] of the [[universe]].  The [[ascendant career]] begins by right thinking, by being [[conscious]] of what you are [[thinking]], and then [[choosing]] to [[act]] on that.  Right thinking is [[observing]] your life; it is taking the observer position of your life.  [[Mortal]] [[progress]] then falls ahead rapidly, when you begin to [[observe]] yourself thinking, seeing [[choices]], making decisions and [[acting]] on them.  When you are not observing yourself in your [[thinking]], to make those [[choices]], you are simply reacting and oftentimes it is hit or miss, whether your choosing follows along right thinking or not.  You have a much higher [[probability]] of moving ahead in your [[spiritual]] [[ascendant career]] rapidly, when you are the [[observer]] of yourself.  
 
   
 
   
This is a hugely important [[process]] for bringing your self consciously, [[intentionally]], into the [[magnificence]] of your [[relationship]] with your [[Thought Adjuster]].  This is [[essential]] to your [[progress]].  [[Fusion]] will come much more rapidly when you are the [[observer]] of yourself; this is [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_mindfulness#Right_mindfulness right thinking].  Right thinking is [[seeing]] the choices, one of which is always includes going against the [[will of God]], but you see this as not a desirable [[option]] in your [[behavior]].  You see options as hurting your fellow [[brothers and sisters]], but these options are as well not desirable options.  You see the option of hurting yourself, being selfish, being egoistic, seeing yourself of greater [[value]] than other people and acting upon that selfish [[orientation]].  In the right thinking mode, you would see this as an option, which is fully detrimental to your [[integration]] with yourself, with your [[Thought Adjuster]], with your fellow brothers and sisters, with your [[Guardian Angel]], with your [[Ascension Career|ascendant plan]].  
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This is a hugely important [[process]] for bringing your self consciously, [[intentionally]], into the [[magnificence]] of your [[relationship]] with your [[Thought Adjuster]].  This is [[essential]] to your [[progress]].  [[Fusion]] will come much more rapidly when you are the [[observer]] of yourself; this is [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_mindfulness#Right_mindfulness right thinking].  Right thinking is [[seeing]] the choices, one of which is always includes going against the [[will of God]], but you see this as not a desirable [[option]] in your [[behavior]].  You see options as hurting your fellow [[brothers and sisters]], but these options are as well not desirable options.  You see the option of hurting yourself, being selfish, being egoistic, seeing yourself of greater [[value]] than other people and acting upon that selfish [[orientation]].  In the right thinking mode, you would see this as an option, which is fully detrimental to your [[integration]] with yourself, with your [[Thought Adjuster]], with your fellow brothers and sisters, with your [[Guardian Angel]], with your [[Ascension Career|ascendant plan]].  
 
   
 
   
Right thinking is [[fundamental]] to [[spiritual]] [[progress]].  Right thinking, as well, allows the greatest [[opportunity]] for the expansion of your [[personality]], that [[wonderful]], wonderful gift from the [[Creator]] that was given to you, that [[unique]] identifier that you have and no one else has.  [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_mindfulness#Right_mindfulness Right thinking] identifies this [[personality]] very clearly to other people, as one who is [[whole]], one who is [[integrated]], one who is “[[one]]” with the “All,” “one” with [[God]], their [[Creator]].  I thank you for that question!  This right thinking is essential for all who wish to [[do God’s will]].
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Right thinking is [[fundamental]] to [[spiritual]] [[progress]].  Right thinking, as well, allows the greatest [[opportunity]] for the expansion of your [[personality]], that [[wonderful]], wonderful gift from the [[Creator]] that was given to you, that [[unique]] identifier that you have and no one else has.  [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_mindfulness#Right_mindfulness Right thinking] identifies this [[personality]] very clearly to other people, as one who is [[whole]], one who is [[integrated]], one who is “[[one]]” with the “All,” “one” with [[God]], their [[Creator]].  I thank you for that question!  This right thinking is essential for all who wish to [[do God’s will]].
 
   
 
   
 
*“Don’t believe [[everything]] you think.”
 
*“Don’t believe [[everything]] you think.”
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Vicki:  That brings to mind one other point or [[topic]] that [[relates]] to this and that is [[emotional intelligence]]. In the makeup of our [[material]] [[mind]], whenever [[information]] is received, we first [[react]] to it [[emotionally]]—it receives an emotional [[value]] first—and so if we are not in [[tune]] with our [[emotional intelligence]], oftentimes our [[thoughts]] stimulate harmful [[emotions]], such as [[fear]] and [[anger]], and then that leads us sometimes into poorly planned [[actions]].  Would you agree with this?
 
Vicki:  That brings to mind one other point or [[topic]] that [[relates]] to this and that is [[emotional intelligence]]. In the makeup of our [[material]] [[mind]], whenever [[information]] is received, we first [[react]] to it [[emotionally]]—it receives an emotional [[value]] first—and so if we are not in [[tune]] with our [[emotional intelligence]], oftentimes our [[thoughts]] stimulate harmful [[emotions]], such as [[fear]] and [[anger]], and then that leads us sometimes into poorly planned [[actions]].  Would you agree with this?
 
   
 
   
MONJORONSON:  Most definitely.  The [[person]] who lives [[consciously]] and who is striving to have [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_mindfulness#Right_mindfulness right thinking], receives input, whether it is [[violently]] given to them with great [[anger]], or with viciousness, they put it into what you would term a “cache [[memory]],” part of their [[thinking]], that they just receive it, and do not hold [[judgment]] or [[reaction]] to it.  This too, is part of the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martial_Arts martial arts] mind—I bring this to you not for the [[violence]] of martial arts, but for the [[discipline]] that martial arts provides to the people who engage in them; it is the way to hold [[thinking]] in abeyance, while you [[analyze]] the situation.  The martial artist knows that [[reacting]] [[emotionally]] to something that comes at you is detrimental and that you will spend your [[energy]] reacting to it and that your efforts will be wasted, you will be devastated and you will be ruined.  Too many times—and we see this almost with tremendous [[frequency]]—with people in [[interaction]], is that they react to the [[words]] that are spoken to them, rather than assessing them and [[discerning]] them carefully.  All these go [[together]] for your [[peace]] of [[mind]].  It is [[essential]] that you stay [[balanced]], [[centered]] and grounded in your [[thinking]], so that you can live [[effectively]], [[peacefully]], [[integrated]] with the best elements of your [[society]].
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MONJORONSON:  Most definitely.  The [[person]] who lives [[consciously]] and who is striving to have [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_mindfulness#Right_mindfulness right thinking], receives input, whether it is [[violently]] given to them with great [[anger]], or with viciousness, they put it into what you would term a “cache [[memory]],” part of their [[thinking]], that they just receive it, and do not hold [[judgment]] or [[reaction]] to it.  This too, is part of the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martial_Arts martial arts] mind—I bring this to you not for the [[violence]] of martial arts, but for the [[discipline]] that martial arts provides to the people who engage in them; it is the way to hold [[thinking]] in abeyance, while you [[analyze]] the situation.  The martial artist knows that [[reacting]] [[emotionally]] to something that comes at you is detrimental and that you will spend your [[energy]] reacting to it and that your efforts will be wasted, you will be devastated and you will be ruined.  Too many times—and we see this almost with tremendous [[frequency]]—with people in [[interaction]], is that they react to the [[words]] that are spoken to them, rather than assessing them and [[discerning]] them carefully.  All these go [[together]] for your [[peace]] of [[mind]].  It is [[essential]] that you stay [[balanced]], [[centered]] and grounded in your [[thinking]], so that you can live [[effectively]], [[peacefully]], [[integrated]] with the best elements of your [[society]].
    
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===='''''[[Death]]''''', '''''[[Hospice]]'''''====
 
*The dying process
 
*The dying process
 
   
 
   
Vicki:  I think this will be tremendously helpful for us, as we put all of these pieces [[together]] about [[strategic]] [[thinking]] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ right-mindedness].  
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Vicki:  I think this will be tremendously helpful for us, as we put all of these pieces [[together]] about [[strategic]] [[thinking]] and [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ right-mindedness].  
 
   
 
   
I’d like to move on to the [[topic]] I had planned for today.  I wish to engage you in a [[conversation]] about the “dying [[process]].”[http://books.google.com/books?id=ar2lqlxsHeQC&printsec=frontcover&dq=death+and+dying&hl=en&ei=jGG2S-XQAZXw9ASMy8DqAw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CD8Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=&f=false]  Many of us find a [[time]] in our lives when we generally accept [[death]], and often it’s when we’ve grown [[spiritually]] to the point where we’ve experienced the [[presence]] of [[God]] and [[believe]] in the [[afterlife]].  Indeed, some of us now can look at death as a “[[birth]]” [[experience]].  On the other hand, what many of us still seem to [[fear]] is the [[actual]] [[process]] of dying, or dissolution, due to the [[physical]] and [[emotional]] [[pain]] [[associated]] with it.  So that is the [[focus]] of my questions on this [[topic]].
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I’d like to move on to the [[topic]] I had planned for today.  I wish to engage you in a [[conversation]] about the “dying [[process]].”[https://books.google.com/books?id=ar2lqlxsHeQC&printsec=frontcover&dq=death+and+dying&hl=en&ei=jGG2S-XQAZXw9ASMy8DqAw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CD8Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=&f=false]  Many of us find a [[time]] in our lives when we generally accept [[death]], and often it’s when we’ve grown [[spiritually]] to the point where we’ve experienced the [[presence]] of [[God]] and [[believe]] in the [[afterlife]].  Indeed, some of us now can look at death as a “[[birth]]” [[experience]].  On the other hand, what many of us still seem to [[fear]] is the [[actual]] [[process]] of dying, or dissolution, due to the [[physical]] and [[emotional]] [[pain]] [[associated]] with it.  So that is the [[focus]] of my questions on this [[topic]].
 
   
 
   
 
Much of what we know about dying has been gathered from our [[physical]] [[observations]].  From a [[spiritual]] [[standpoint]], though, what can you tell us about this process that will inform our care for dying [[individuals]]?
 
Much of what we know about dying has been gathered from our [[physical]] [[observations]].  From a [[spiritual]] [[standpoint]], though, what can you tell us about this process that will inform our care for dying [[individuals]]?
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MONJORONSON:  You bring to the table, a very large subject.  (Laughter.)  I would begin by stating the saddest [[deaths]] of all:  And the saddest deaths of all are those where we see the individual dying within, where their [[spirit]], their esprit is dying, is going away.  They can be young; they may be old, but they have given up on life already, and they are hollow shells, [[automatons]] going about the [[business]] of the [[routine]] of daily life, yet on the inside they have no [[awareness]] of their [[thinking]]—great thinking or wrong thinking—they are simply going about the [[motions]].  These situations are extremely sad, where people lose [[hope]].  
 
MONJORONSON:  You bring to the table, a very large subject.  (Laughter.)  I would begin by stating the saddest [[deaths]] of all:  And the saddest deaths of all are those where we see the individual dying within, where their [[spirit]], their esprit is dying, is going away.  They can be young; they may be old, but they have given up on life already, and they are hollow shells, [[automatons]] going about the [[business]] of the [[routine]] of daily life, yet on the inside they have no [[awareness]] of their [[thinking]]—great thinking or wrong thinking—they are simply going about the [[motions]].  These situations are extremely sad, where people lose [[hope]].  
 
   
 
   
We do not [[understand]] how it is that people can totally reject the [[spiritual]] life, but on the other hand, we can see that it is done [[actively]], it is done in [[total]] violation of the [[God]]/[[personal]] [[relationship]].  There is actually some vitality to that, for when these [[individuals]] cross over and are on the [[mansion worlds]], they will see the wrongness of their [[thinking]], and either continue to adhere to that and become part of those who have vanished[http://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Paper_2#2:3._JUSTICE_AND_RIGHTEOUSNESS], as [though] they were never here, and there are those who will see this as an [[opportunity]] to begin anew, and do so with the same fervent, energized [[state]] of [[being]].  Those of you who have mental aberrations, of [[depression]], of latent psychoses—those with mental aberrations who are unable to manage their [[thinking]]—this is most sad; were the [[angels]] to cry, they would cry over this for sure.  
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We do not [[understand]] how it is that people can totally reject the [[spiritual]] life, but on the other hand, we can see that it is done [[actively]], it is done in [[total]] violation of the [[God]]/[[personal]] [[relationship]].  There is actually some vitality to that, for when these [[individuals]] cross over and are on the [[mansion worlds]], they will see the wrongness of their [[thinking]], and either continue to adhere to that and become part of those who have vanished[https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Paper_2#2:3._JUSTICE_AND_RIGHTEOUSNESS], as [though] they were never here, and there are those who will see this as an [[opportunity]] to begin anew, and do so with the same fervent, energized [[state]] of [[being]].  Those of you who have mental aberrations, of [[depression]], of latent psychoses—those with mental aberrations who are unable to manage their [[thinking]]—this is most sad; were the [[angels]] to cry, they would cry over this for sure.  
 
   
 
   
But you speak about the dissolution of [[death]], and so the next saddest [[state]] that I will gauge is the premature passing of one who has so much [[potential]] to know [[God]] in this lifetime, whether they are in their infancy, their childhood, pre-adolescence, adolescence, early adulthood, adulthood, or the elderly.  It is very sad to see those people with grand [[minds]], who have the [[capacity]] to know God [[intimately]], and who do not, who pass prematurely from this acquaintanceship, from acknowledging this [[wonderful]] [[eternal]] handshake, between [[God]] within them, and their own [[conscious]] mind.  These lives are not wasted, and do not mourn about that, for there is an avenue for [[growth]] that is always granted to those who cross over, who wish to continue.  This truly is a very [[conscious]] [[existential]] [[decision]] that is made by everyone who has a sentient [[mind]], who is invested by [[God]], the [[Thought Adjuster]][http://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Paper_40#40:7._FATHER-FUSED_MORTALS], or [http://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Paper_40#40:8._SON-FUSED_MORTALS Son Spirit], or the [http://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Paper_40#40:9._SPIRIT-FUSED_MORTALS Infinite Spirit].  
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But you speak about the dissolution of [[death]], and so the next saddest [[state]] that I will gauge is the premature passing of one who has so much [[potential]] to know [[God]] in this lifetime, whether they are in their infancy, their childhood, pre-adolescence, adolescence, early adulthood, adulthood, or the elderly.  It is very sad to see those people with grand [[minds]], who have the [[capacity]] to know God [[intimately]], and who do not, who pass prematurely from this acquaintanceship, from acknowledging this [[wonderful]] [[eternal]] handshake, between [[God]] within them, and their own [[conscious]] mind.  These lives are not wasted, and do not mourn about that, for there is an avenue for [[growth]] that is always granted to those who cross over, who wish to continue.  This truly is a very [[conscious]] [[existential]] [[decision]] that is made by everyone who has a sentient [[mind]], who is invested by [[God]], the [[Thought Adjuster]][https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Paper_40#40:7._FATHER-FUSED_MORTALS], or [https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Paper_40#40:8._SON-FUSED_MORTALS Son Spirit], or the [https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Paper_40#40:9._SPIRIT-FUSED_MORTALS Infinite Spirit].  
 
   
 
   
 
*[[Preparation]] for the approach of [[death]]
 
*[[Preparation]] for the approach of [[death]]
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Dying peacefully begins by seeing your [[body]] at the end of an era; the [[materialism]] of your [[body]] is just clothing for the [[spirit]]; it is not who you truly are; it is given to you temporarily to help you engage the [[experiences]] of this world.  Your attachment to the [[materiality]] of this world impedes your easy [[progress]] across.  Many would cross earlier and more easily from life to dying, had they truly [[understood]] that their attachment to the [[materialism]] of life, to their [[body]], hinders their crossing easily.  When you begin to see yourself as an [[ascendant]] [[spirit]], who is a captive in a [[body]], you will engage this [[continuum]] more easily and approach the [[event]] of [[death]] as something which is transitory and temporary.
 
Dying peacefully begins by seeing your [[body]] at the end of an era; the [[materialism]] of your [[body]] is just clothing for the [[spirit]]; it is not who you truly are; it is given to you temporarily to help you engage the [[experiences]] of this world.  Your attachment to the [[materiality]] of this world impedes your easy [[progress]] across.  Many would cross earlier and more easily from life to dying, had they truly [[understood]] that their attachment to the [[materialism]] of life, to their [[body]], hinders their crossing easily.  When you begin to see yourself as an [[ascendant]] [[spirit]], who is a captive in a [[body]], you will engage this [[continuum]] more easily and approach the [[event]] of [[death]] as something which is transitory and temporary.
 
   
 
   
You go to bed at night and you never [[think]] about losing [[consciousness]] as frightening; you in [[fact]], seek it to ease the [[pains]] of the day, to overcome the [[emotional]] distresses of life.  You go to [[sleep]] in [[peace]].  What did [http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Shakespeare Shakespeare] say?  Something like, “Sleep, sleep knits up the raveled sleeve of care, of the day,”[http://www.quoteworld.org/quotes/12778] and so it does, and if you were to see your life as a [[continuum]] of [[spirit]], you would engage your [[physical]] [[death]] as easily as you engage going to sleep at night; you would look forward to it; you would be [[happy]] about it; you would be [[joyous]]; you would celebrate and ask your [[friends]] to [[share]] in that [[event]] with you.  We ask you, dear ones, to teach others about [[death]] and dying, that it is [[natural]], but that it is needful to be delayed as [[rationally]] useful, so that you gain the full [[spectrum]] of [[experiences]] as a living [[being]].  
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You go to bed at night and you never [[think]] about losing [[consciousness]] as frightening; you in [[fact]], seek it to ease the [[pains]] of the day, to overcome the [[emotional]] distresses of life.  You go to [[sleep]] in [[peace]].  What did [https://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Shakespeare Shakespeare] say?  Something like, “Sleep, sleep knits up the raveled sleeve of care, of the day,”[https://www.quoteworld.org/quotes/12778] and so it does, and if you were to see your life as a [[continuum]] of [[spirit]], you would engage your [[physical]] [[death]] as easily as you engage going to sleep at night; you would look forward to it; you would be [[happy]] about it; you would be [[joyous]]; you would celebrate and ask your [[friends]] to [[share]] in that [[event]] with you.  We ask you, dear ones, to teach others about [[death]] and dying, that it is [[natural]], but that it is needful to be delayed as [[rationally]] useful, so that you gain the full [[spectrum]] of [[experiences]] as a living [[being]].  
 
   
 
   
 
This lifetime truly is what you will live on and feast on in your [[Mansion Worlds|morontial life]], as you gain new [[experiences]].  You will see this brief [[archive]] of [[history]] of your [[soul]]’s [[growth]] and [[development]] as a [[resource]] for [[interpreting]] your new experiences and for re-interpreting the experiences you had during your lifetime.  This is all there is!  This is what you get; this is the [[material]] feast of your [[eternal]] [[career]].  You have the [[opportunity]] to fill it to the greatest extent.  That is why we ask you to live life [[consciously]], [[joyously]], fully, deeply!  Drink in the [[events]] of your life with great richness.  Your resentments, your hostilities, your hatreds prevent you from moving ahead [[peacefully]], gradually, into death.  Your [[negative]] [[emotions]] strive to keep you locked into your [[body]] and you have less to use in the [[afterlife]] for your lessons that come along then.
 
This lifetime truly is what you will live on and feast on in your [[Mansion Worlds|morontial life]], as you gain new [[experiences]].  You will see this brief [[archive]] of [[history]] of your [[soul]]’s [[growth]] and [[development]] as a [[resource]] for [[interpreting]] your new experiences and for re-interpreting the experiences you had during your lifetime.  This is all there is!  This is what you get; this is the [[material]] feast of your [[eternal]] [[career]].  You have the [[opportunity]] to fill it to the greatest extent.  That is why we ask you to live life [[consciously]], [[joyously]], fully, deeply!  Drink in the [[events]] of your life with great richness.  Your resentments, your hostilities, your hatreds prevent you from moving ahead [[peacefully]], gradually, into death.  Your [[negative]] [[emotions]] strive to keep you locked into your [[body]] and you have less to use in the [[afterlife]] for your lessons that come along then.
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Vicki:  I think we’ve addressed the [[psychological]] needs for the dying.  The one that is standing out for me now is helping people manage the ‘[[physical]] [[pain]] of dying.’  So I’m [[wondering]] when you talk about us detaching our [[spirit]], or [[communicating]] with their [[spirit]], in doing that, are we capable of helping them [[transcend]] [[physical]] [[pain]]?
 
Vicki:  I think we’ve addressed the [[psychological]] needs for the dying.  The one that is standing out for me now is helping people manage the ‘[[physical]] [[pain]] of dying.’  So I’m [[wondering]] when you talk about us detaching our [[spirit]], or [[communicating]] with their [[spirit]], in doing that, are we capable of helping them [[transcend]] [[physical]] [[pain]]?
 
   
 
   
MONJORONSON:  Yes.  Too often, the medications that are given deaden the [[pain]] [[process]], from the nerves to the [[brain]].  What would be much more advantageous is to [[assist]] the [[individual]] to engage a [http://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Transpersonal transpersonal experience] of an altered [[state]] of [[consciousness]], rather than the dead-numb of a [[brain]] that has been dosed with heroin or morphine to such a great extent.  The [[person]] then is virtually [[breathing]], but dead as a [[spirit]].  The [[option]] of assisting the individual in having an altered state of [[consciousness]], a [[spiritual]] [[experience]], assists them to bypass the [[pain]] episode and to engage the higher realms of [[spirit]] and the [[body]] and the [[mind]].  This would be new territory for your [[medical]] [[professionals]]; it is almost [[shamanistic]] in many ways, but it is helpful to the [[mind]] to grasp the altered states of [[consciousness]] that are precursors to [[death]] and the cessation of [[mind]] [[activity]], and avail themselves to the ascendance of the [[spirit]] towards its [[career]] in the [[mansion worlds]].
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MONJORONSON:  Yes.  Too often, the medications that are given deaden the [[pain]] [[process]], from the nerves to the [[brain]].  What would be much more advantageous is to [[assist]] the [[individual]] to engage a [https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Transpersonal transpersonal experience] of an altered [[state]] of [[consciousness]], rather than the dead-numb of a [[brain]] that has been dosed with heroin or morphine to such a great extent.  The [[person]] then is virtually [[breathing]], but dead as a [[spirit]].  The [[option]] of assisting the individual in having an altered state of [[consciousness]], a [[spiritual]] [[experience]], assists them to bypass the [[pain]] episode and to engage the higher realms of [[spirit]] and the [[body]] and the [[mind]].  This would be new territory for your [[medical]] [[professionals]]; it is almost [[shamanistic]] in many ways, but it is helpful to the [[mind]] to grasp the altered states of [[consciousness]] that are precursors to [[death]] and the cessation of [[mind]] [[activity]], and avail themselves to the ascendance of the [[spirit]] towards its [[career]] in the [[mansion worlds]].
 
   
 
   
 
Vicki:  I believe that message was hugely important to us.  And so now, I’d like to engage you in some [[conversation]] about how other [[cultures]] view the dying [[process]] and its [[practical]] use for all of us.  This whole [[topic]] is a delicate one, because there is also a tremendous variation in [[cultures]], as to their [[beliefs]], [[rituals]] and [[practices]].  Some [[rituals]] and [[beliefs]], from Eastern civilizations, are now beginning to merge into the practices of Western cultures and they may offer us quite a bit of [[insight]].  I want to talk about one in particular.
 
Vicki:  I believe that message was hugely important to us.  And so now, I’d like to engage you in some [[conversation]] about how other [[cultures]] view the dying [[process]] and its [[practical]] use for all of us.  This whole [[topic]] is a delicate one, because there is also a tremendous variation in [[cultures]], as to their [[beliefs]], [[rituals]] and [[practices]].  Some [[rituals]] and [[beliefs]], from Eastern civilizations, are now beginning to merge into the practices of Western cultures and they may offer us quite a bit of [[insight]].  I want to talk about one in particular.
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*Eastern practices of the death process
 
*Eastern practices of the death process
 
   
 
   
According to the [http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tibetan_Buddhism Tibetan] [[beliefs]], the dissolution or dying [[process]] [[encompasses]] eight stages, related to and in the order of four elements—earth, water, fire and air.  At the beginning with the earth element, each stage marks a point in which those related [[systems]] or bodily [[materials]] break down.  And also, along with this, it is believed that the dying individual—experiences certain [[mental]] and [[spiritual]] [[visualizations]] that coincide with these stages.  Is there validity to these [[assumptions]]?
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According to the [https://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tibetan_Buddhism Tibetan] [[beliefs]], the dissolution or dying [[process]] [[encompasses]] eight stages, related to and in the order of four elements—earth, water, fire and air.  At the beginning with the earth element, each stage marks a point in which those related [[systems]] or bodily [[materials]] break down.  And also, along with this, it is believed that the dying individual—experiences certain [[mental]] and [[spiritual]] [[visualizations]] that coincide with these stages.  Is there validity to these [[assumptions]]?
 
   
 
   
MONJORONSON:  Yes, to a [[degree]].  In those [[religions]] and those [[cultures]], the [[study]] of [[death]] has been most extensive, rather than it being avoided as is typical of [http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_civilization Western civilization].  The [[reading]] and [[studying]] of [[death]] [[prepares]] each [[individual]] for that [[event]].  It gives them a schema, it gives them a format, a schedule, an [[agenda]] for the passage of their own life.  It is a way of them [[reflecting]] in [[real time]], upon the [[process]] of dying.  This is a great aid to the [[individual]] who is dying; they already have an [[agenda]] or schedule that they are aware of, that they know they will [[experience]] as they proceed closer and closer to the [[separation]] of their [[spirit]] from their [[body]].  This is very helpful to the [[individual]].  It is as helpful as well to those who remain.  
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MONJORONSON:  Yes, to a [[degree]].  In those [[religions]] and those [[cultures]], the [[study]] of [[death]] has been most extensive, rather than it being avoided as is typical of [https://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_civilization Western civilization].  The [[reading]] and [[studying]] of [[death]] [[prepares]] each [[individual]] for that [[event]].  It gives them a schema, it gives them a format, a schedule, an [[agenda]] for the passage of their own life.  It is a way of them [[reflecting]] in [[real time]], upon the [[process]] of dying.  This is a great aid to the [[individual]] who is dying; they already have an [[agenda]] or schedule that they are aware of, that they know they will [[experience]] as they proceed closer and closer to the [[separation]] of their [[spirit]] from their [[body]].  This is very helpful to the [[individual]].  It is as helpful as well to those who remain.  
 
   
 
   
 
*The reconciliation of death and dying
 
*The reconciliation of death and dying
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*Speaking to the spirit
 
*Speaking to the spirit
 
   
 
   
MONJORONSON:  Yes, it is not the [[mind]] that is working anymore; you are actually speaking to the [[spirit]] [[entity]] of that [[person]], as an [[intelligent]] [[being]].  You often think of [[mind]] as having [[intelligence]]; actually, the [[brain]] has intelligence, it has the [[mind]], and it is just the [[operating system]].  Once the mind shuts down, then the [[body]] no longer [[functions]], and the mind no longer [[responds]] to you.  What you are doing is speaking to this [[spirit]], the spirit of that [[person]], as an [[intelligent]] [[entity]]: they have [[consciousness]], and you have consciousness, and you can speak to that [[entity]] of that deceased [[person]], [[intelligently]], and offer them suggestions.  Remember that the spirit that has become disembodied is oftentimes [[confused]].  It is important that the [[guardian]], be there with them, so that they can [[guide]] the spirit onward to the [[mansion worlds]], through the tunnel of [[light]], as you describe it.  Once in the tunnel, they are on their way.  It is that those [[moments]] from reaching out by their [[guardian]] to the [[spirit]] who will guide them to the light, that you would provide, if the [[person]] is not a believing [[individual]] of [[God]] or [[guardian angels]].
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MONJORONSON:  Yes, it is not the [[mind]] that is working anymore; you are actually speaking to the [[spirit]] [[entity]] of that [[person]], as an [[intelligent]] [[being]].  You often think of [[mind]] as having [[intelligence]]; actually, the [[brain]] has intelligence, it has the [[mind]], and it is just the [https://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operating_System operating system].  Once the mind shuts down, then the [[body]] no longer [[functions]], and the mind no longer [[responds]] to you.  What you are doing is speaking to this [[spirit]], the spirit of that [[person]], as an [[intelligent]] [[entity]]: they have [[consciousness]], and you have consciousness, and you can speak to that [[entity]] of that deceased [[person]], [[intelligently]], and offer them suggestions.  Remember that the spirit that has become disembodied is oftentimes [[confused]].  It is important that the guardian, be there with them, so that they can [[guide]] the spirit onward to the [[mansion worlds]], through the tunnel of [[light]], as you describe it.  Once in the tunnel, they are on their way.  It is that those [[moments]] from reaching out by their guardian to the [[spirit]] who will guide them to the light, that you would provide, if the [[person]] is not a believing [[individual]] of [[God]] or [[guardian angels]].
 
   
 
   
 
*[[Touch]] during the dying [[process]]
 
*[[Touch]] during the dying [[process]]
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*Spiritual chemistry
 
*Spiritual chemistry
 
   
 
   
Vicki:  MONJORONSON, this is a question both about living and dying.  It’s about [[spiritual]] [[experience]] and our [[chemistry]].  Our [[scientists]] believe that we have isolated a chemical in our [http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pineal_Gland pineal glands] that increases in amount during an [[Out of Body Experience|out of body or near death experience]].  This implies that there may be other [[chemical]] [[changes]] taking place during the [[processes]] of both our living and dying that stimulate [[spiritual]] [[experience]].  Is that a correct [[assumption]]?
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Vicki:  MONJORONSON, this is a question both about living and dying.  It’s about [[spiritual]] [[experience]] and our [[chemistry]].  Our [[scientists]] believe that we have isolated a chemical in our [https://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pineal_Gland pineal glands] that increases in amount during an [[Out of Body Experience|out of body or near death experience]].  This implies that there may be other [[chemical]] [[changes]] taking place during the [[processes]] of both our living and dying that stimulate [[spiritual]] [[experience]].  Is that a correct [[assumption]]?
 
   
 
   
 
MONJORONSON:  Yes, it is.
 
MONJORONSON:  Yes, it is.
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Vicki:  Can you tell us anything more about this [[chemistry]] that may stimulate [[spiritual]] [[experience]].
 
Vicki:  Can you tell us anything more about this [[chemistry]] that may stimulate [[spiritual]] [[experience]].
 
   
 
   
MONJORONSON:  I alluded to that in my answer about using [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychoactive_drugs psychoactive drugs] to [[assist]] a [[person]] in having an [[Out of Body Experience|out of body, transpersonal]] [[experience]].  It is of great [[assistance]] to the individual to [[process]] their dying as a [[spiritual]] [[experience]].  Most [[individuals]] of your [[culture]] do not see dying as a [[spiritual]] [[experience]] but as a regretful, [[physical]] leaving of the [[pleasures]] that they had earlier in life.  The altered [[state]] of [[consciousness]] assists in this passage being [[interpreted]] as a spiritual experience.  It allows the gates between [[consciousness]] and [[spiritual]] [[experience]] to be withdrawn.  It is much like a drawbridge to a castle; that you are in the castle of your [[mind]], the drawbridge is put down, and you can cross it and enter the grand vistas of the [[horizon]] of the [[spirit]] realm easily and [[deliberately]].  Yes, there are many [[chemical]] [[processes]] which are undergoing in the [[death]] experience.  However, it is only in the [[conscious]] traverse of this [[space]] that these chemicals usually develop.  You are seeing [[evidence]] of that in out of body, near death experiences, those individuals who are having transpersonal experiences in their living [[moments]] that have been [[analyzed]] by your [[scientists]].  This can be assisted as I said, through the [[application]] of [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychoactive_drugs psychoactive drugs].  Not much is needed, as the [[mind]] is usually open and [[receptive]] to this, and can be done most easily.
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MONJORONSON:  I alluded to that in my answer about using [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychoactive_drugs psychoactive drugs] to [[assist]] a [[person]] in having an [[Out of Body Experience|out of body, transpersonal]] [[experience]].  It is of great [[assistance]] to the individual to [[process]] their dying as a [[spiritual]] [[experience]].  Most [[individuals]] of your [[culture]] do not see dying as a [[spiritual]] [[experience]] but as a regretful, [[physical]] leaving of the [[pleasures]] that they had earlier in life.  The altered [[state]] of [[consciousness]] assists in this passage being [[interpreted]] as a spiritual experience.  It allows the gates between [[consciousness]] and [[spiritual]] [[experience]] to be withdrawn.  It is much like a drawbridge to a castle; that you are in the castle of your [[mind]], the drawbridge is put down, and you can cross it and enter the grand vistas of the [[horizon]] of the [[spirit]] realm easily and [[deliberately]].  Yes, there are many [[chemical]] [[processes]] which are undergoing in the [[death]] experience.  However, it is only in the [[conscious]] traverse of this [[space]] that these chemicals usually develop.  You are seeing [[evidence]] of that in out of body, near death experiences, those individuals who are having transpersonal experiences in their living [[moments]] that have been [[analyzed]] by your [[scientists]].  This can be assisted as I said, through the [[application]] of [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychoactive_drugs psychoactive drugs].  Not much is needed, as the [[mind]] is usually open and [[receptive]] to this, and can be done most easily.
 
   
 
   
 
Vicki:  Thank you.  I’ll have to think about this before I address it again.  
 
Vicki:  Thank you.  I’ll have to think about this before I address it again.  
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[Daniel: (Also laughing now) It’s him!]
 
[Daniel: (Also laughing now) It’s him!]
 
   
 
   
This is MONJORONSON:  I [[thought]] you would never get around to asking this question!  Yes, this is a most interesting [[topic]], and as one that has puzzled many, many people for centuries.  What you are [[experiencing]] is [[fundamentally]] the [http://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Paper_107#107:2._CLASSIFICATION_OF_ADJUSTERS prior experiences] of your [[Thought Adjuster]].  It has tremendous [[access]] to the annals, the recordings of other [[personalities]] that it has experienced, both directly and vicariously.  Thought Adjusters are most capable, and are vastly underestimated in their [[capacity]] to [[assist]] you to [[grow]], to [[learn]], to bypass many of the [[difficult]] lessons of life, if you would only engage your [[Thought Adjuster]] much more [[consciously]], deliberately and [[intentionally]].
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This is MONJORONSON:  I [[thought]] you would never get around to asking this question!  Yes, this is a most interesting [[topic]], and as one that has puzzled many, many people for centuries.  What you are [[experiencing]] is [[fundamentally]] the [https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Paper_107#107:2._CLASSIFICATION_OF_ADJUSTERS prior experiences] of your [[Thought Adjuster]].  It has tremendous [[access]] to the annals, the recordings of other [[personalities]] that it has experienced, both directly and vicariously.  Thought Adjusters are most capable, and are vastly underestimated in their [[capacity]] to [[assist]] you to [[grow]], to [[learn]], to bypass many of the [[difficult]] lessons of life, if you would only engage your [[Thought Adjuster]] much more [[consciously]], deliberately and [[intentionally]].
 
   
 
   
 
An “old soul” is one who has had many past experiences; one who recalls the [[wisdom]] and [[experience]] of a past life.
 
An “old soul” is one who has had many past experiences; one who recalls the [[wisdom]] and [[experience]] of a past life.
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[Daniel:  I’ve got to get a drink of water here.  I think I can maintain…this is really interesting to me!  I’ve [[wondered]] about this before.  I knew many people’s definition of [[reincarnation]] was just grossly limiting, just incredibly limiting.  But I never have [[thought]] about what he’s saying here.  Hang on.]
 
[Daniel:  I’ve got to get a drink of water here.  I think I can maintain…this is really interesting to me!  I’ve [[wondered]] about this before.  I knew many people’s definition of [[reincarnation]] was just grossly limiting, just incredibly limiting.  But I never have [[thought]] about what he’s saying here.  Hang on.]
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MONJORONSON: (Continuing.)  Well, let’s go to [[Divinington]]!  [[Thought Adjusters]] come into [[existence]] by the will of the [[Creator]], the [[First Source and Center]].  They go to Divinington for [[training]].  Now, what happens there?  Many, many individuals speculate.  What we know is that they are [[preparing]] for [[reception]] in the next life that they will have with you.  In that arena, they undergo training in how best to engage this [[person]] who they will be working with.  It is as though they were in symposiums, [[sharing]] [[information]] about other life [[experiences]].  Your [[Thought Adjuster]] knows very thoroughly the life that you will exist [in], before you are born.  They know the [[culture]] you will be raised in, the [[parents]] [[Link title]]you will have, the [[siblings]] you will have, the [[career]] that you will have, those [[individuals]] who are [[friends]] and intimates, and those who are enemies.  The Thought Adjusters are fully aware of this.  
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MONJORONSON: (Continuing.)  Well, let’s go to [[Divinington]]!  [[Thought Adjusters]] come into [[existence]] by the will of the [[Creator]], the [[First Source and Center]].  They go to Divinington for [[training]].  Now, what happens there?  Many, many individuals speculate.  What we know is that they are [[preparing]] for [[reception]] in the next life that they will have with you.  In that arena, they undergo training in how best to engage this [[person]] who they will be working with.  It is as though they were in symposiums, [[sharing]] [[information]] about other life [[experiences]].  Your [[Thought Adjuster]] knows very thoroughly the life that you will exist [in], before you are born.  They know the [[culture]] you will be raised in, the [[parents]] you will have, the [[siblings]] you will have, the [[career]] that you will have, those [[individuals]] who are [[friends]] and intimates, and those who are enemies.  The Thought Adjusters are fully aware of this.  
 
   
 
   
 
Their [[guidance]] to you is always most indirect, passive, even casual, you might think, yet it is with deliberateness and [[intention]] of the [[Creator]] who created the [[universe]], that this is the most important [[experience]] this [[Thought Adjuster]] will ever have and wants to invest [[totally]] in it.  You, who are aware that you are an old [[soul]], have a greater [[conscious]] awareness and [[participation]] with your [[Thought Adjuster]], than those who are totally oblivious of any past lives, or [[experiences]] of their [[soul]] level and [[maturity]].  You must [[remember]] that your evolved [[status]] is comparatively rare to the vast [[majority]] of [[humans]] on your world, that most are simply eking out a living, going through the motions of [[survival]] from day-to-day, [[moment]]-to-moment, without giving [[thought]] to their own [[thinking]].  
 
Their [[guidance]] to you is always most indirect, passive, even casual, you might think, yet it is with deliberateness and [[intention]] of the [[Creator]] who created the [[universe]], that this is the most important [[experience]] this [[Thought Adjuster]] will ever have and wants to invest [[totally]] in it.  You, who are aware that you are an old [[soul]], have a greater [[conscious]] awareness and [[participation]] with your [[Thought Adjuster]], than those who are totally oblivious of any past lives, or [[experiences]] of their [[soul]] level and [[maturity]].  You must [[remember]] that your evolved [[status]] is comparatively rare to the vast [[majority]] of [[humans]] on your world, that most are simply eking out a living, going through the motions of [[survival]] from day-to-day, [[moment]]-to-moment, without giving [[thought]] to their own [[thinking]].  
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===Note===
 
===Note===
Dear Readers,
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Dear [[Readers]],
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There were two areas in this transcript that we felt required additional clarification from Monjoronson before it was published in that they extended the knowledge given to us through the Urantia Book.  Though this is not the first time for extended knowledge to appear in the transcripts of the Correcting Time nor will it probably be the last, we felt these two areas were sensitive in nature and required a deeper understanding.  This addendum is the result of a short team session that was conducted with Monjoronson in response to that need.  
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There were two areas in this transcript that we felt required additional [[clarification]] from Monjoronson before it was published in that they extended the [[knowledge]] given to us through the [[Urantia Book]].  Though this is not the first time for extended [[knowledge]] to appear in the transcripts of the [[Correcting Time]] nor will it probably be the last, we felt these two areas were [[sensitive]] in [[nature]] and required a deeper [[understanding]].  This addendum is the result of a short team session that was conducted with Monjoronson in [[response]] to that need.  
    
Sincerely,
 
Sincerely,
    
The Special Session Team
 
The Special Session Team
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===ADDENDUM===
 
===ADDENDUM===
 
*TO special Session #9
 
*TO special Session #9
 
   
 
   
[Clarification sought from Monjoronson, April 1, 2010]
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[[Clarification]] sought from Monjoronson, April 1, 2010]
 
   
 
   
Vicki:  Good morning, Monjoronson.  (Good morning.)  We requested this session today because of some content in our last session that we feel needs some clarification, before we publish the transcript.  I’m wondering if you would be willing to answer some additional questions for us, and maybe help us with this.
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Vicki:  Good morning, Monjoronson.  (Good morning.)  We requested this session today because of some [[content]] in our last session that we feel needs some [[clarification]], before we publish the transcript.  I’m [[wondering]] if you would be willing to answer some additional questions for us, and maybe help us with this.
 
   
 
   
 
MONJORONSON:  I would be glad to.
 
MONJORONSON:  I would be glad to.
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*Additional comments on disembodied spirits
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*Additional comments on disembodied [[spirits]]
 
   
 
   
Vicki:  We are anticipating that there will be some reaction to the discussion of “disembodied spirits” and the struggles that some individuals go through, when they cross over.  It’s not something that to my knowledge, is addressed in the Urantia Book, so it is somewhat “new information,” and likely to be challenged.  Is this valid and did we transmit this correctly?
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Vicki:  We are [[anticipating]] that there will be some reaction to the [[discussion]] of “disembodied spirits” and the struggles that some [[individuals]] go through, when they cross over.  It’s not something that to my [[knowledge]], is addressed in the [[Urantia Book]], so it is somewhat “new [[information]],” and likely to be challenged.  Is this valid and did we transmit this correctly?
 
   
 
   
MONJORONSON:  What the Urantia Book describes is a much-simplified addition of understanding of continuity of spiritual existence.  It was published with the intent of offering, very clear, very lucid, very understandable, unambiguous information to the reader, not knowing their level of sophistication.  Given the cultural maturity of your society, and your world experience, in the English language cultures, there is a paucity of information about spiritual existence.  It is far better to provide elementary instruction and information to newcomers to this area of thinking, rather than over-weighting them with complex concepts of existence of spirit.  The curious mind will, of course, devise questions and come to surmise certain situations, and ask questions about that.  It is important that the mind be curious.  As we said, it is too much to overload early and young minds with this information, too soon.  Does this help?
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MONJORONSON:  What the [[Urantia Book]] describes is a much-simplified addition of [[understanding]] of [[continuity]] of [[spiritual]] [[existence]].  It was published with the [[intent]] of offering, very clear, very lucid, very understandable, unambiguous [[information]] to the [[reader]], not knowing their level of sophistication.  Given the cultural [[maturity]] of your [[society]], and your world [[experience]], in the [[English]] [[language]] [[cultures]], there is a paucity of information about [[spiritual]] [[existence]].  It is far better to provide elementary instruction and information to newcomers to this area of [[thinking]], rather than over-weighting them with [[complex]] [[concepts]] of [[existence]] of [[spirit]].  The [[curious]] [[mind]] will, of course, devise questions and come to surmise certain situations, and ask questions about that.  It is important that the mind be curious.  As we said, it is too much to overload early and young minds with this [[information]], too soon.  Does this help?
 
   
 
   
Vicki:  Yes, it does, and I do feel that there are many of us who are ready for an extended explanation in these areas or topics, and I being one, truly appreciate it.
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Vicki:  Yes, it does, and I do feel that there are many of us who are ready for an extended explanation in these areas or [[topics]], and I being one, truly [[appreciate]] it.
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Vicki:  Thank you.  We are told in the Urantia Book that the Thought Adjuster does not indwell until the first moral decision, which is approximately around the age of 5 or 6, and at that time, it is considered the birth of the soul.  Through the answers we received from you in our last session, they imply that the soul exists prior to this indwelling, and that the Thought Adjuster is “present” or “invested” in some capacity, with the mortal, prior to this indwelling.  Can you clarify this for us?
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Vicki:  Thank you.  We are told in the [[Urantia Book]] that the [[Thought Adjuster]] does not indwell until the first [[moral]] [[decision]], which is approximately around the age of 5 or 6, and at that time, it is considered the [[birth]] of the [[soul]].  Through the answers we received from you in our last session, they imply that the [[soul]] exists prior to this indwelling, and that the Thought Adjuster is “present” or “invested” in some capacity, with the [[mortal]], prior to this indwelling.  Can you clarify this for us?
 
   
 
   
MONJORONSON:  Most definitely.  Let us take the “soul” and the “Thought Adjuster” separately.  In the context of the individual who is the newborn, there is the “empty envelope” of the soul, waiting for the first moral decision to be made, and to begin its journey of becoming filled and fuller/ more full, with each passing decision of the individual.  The Thought Adjuster, as we discussed in the transcript earlier, exists and has been in training prior to the birth of the individual.  The Thought Adjuster is in “waiting” for the first moral decision by the individual.  It is a “Thought Adjuster in waiting,” so to speak, and that this is an inauguration, an event of investment, where the Thought Adjuster is now fully invested in the being of the child.  And I repeat that it has been “in waiting” for this decision to become known.  We hope you understand that the birth of a child does not mean that it is necessarily a viable, moral creature.  It could have mental disabilities; it could have deficiencies of any number of problems, that would not make it receptive for the reception of the Thought Adjuster, but the Thought Adjuster does not pre-guess this, and is in waiting for that first moral decision.  Does this help clarify?
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MONJORONSON:  Most definitely.  Let us take the “[[soul]]” and the “[[Thought Adjuster]]” separately.  In the [[context]] of the [[individual]] who is the newborn, there is the “empty envelope” of the [[soul]], waiting for the first [[moral]] [[decision]] to be made, and to begin its [[journey]] of becoming filled and fuller/ more full, with each passing [[decision]] of the [[individual]].  The [[Thought Adjuster]], as we [[discussed]] in the transcript earlier, exists and has been in [[training]] prior to the [[birth]] of the [[individual]].  The Thought Adjuster is in “waiting” for the first moral decision by the [[individual]].  It is a “Thought Adjuster in waiting,” so to speak, and that this is an inauguration, an [[event]] of investment, where the [[Thought Adjuster]] is now fully invested in the [[being]] of the [[child]].  And I repeat that it has been “in waiting” for this decision to become known.  We hope you [[understand]] that the birth of a child does not mean that it is necessarily a viable, [[moral]] [[creature]].  It could have mental disabilities; it could have deficiencies of any number of problems, that would not make it receptive for the reception of the Thought Adjuster, but the Thought Adjuster does not pre-guess this, and is in waiting for that first moral decision.  Does this help clarify?
 
   
 
   
Vicki:  Yes, it does to a degree.  Let me think about this—so in your reference to seeing the “soul,” through the infant, what you are saying is we are seeing that “empty envelope,” is that correct?
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Vicki:  Yes, it does to a [[degree]].  Let me think about this—so in your [[reference]] to seeing the “[[soul]],” through the infant, what you are saying is we are seeing that “empty envelope,” is that correct?
 
   
 
   
MONJORONSON:  Yes.  What has failed to be evidently clear in the text, is that the soul does not spontaneously flash into existence at the first moral choice.  It has been there and waiting, much as the Thought Adjuster has been in waiting.
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MONJORONSON:  Yes.  What has failed to be evidently clear in the [[text]], is that the [[soul]] does not [[spontaneously]] flash into [[existence]] at the first [[moral]] [[choice]].  It has been there and waiting, much as the [[Thought Adjuster]] has been in waiting.
 
   
 
   
Vicki:  Okay.  I think that clarifies it, at this point.  Is there anything else that you would like to add to this, to help us?
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Vicki:  Okay.  I think that [[clarifies]] it, at this point.  Is there anything else that you would like to add to this, to help us?
 
   
 
   
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MONJORONSON:  Yes, most certainly.  If readers and listeners to these conversations have questions, they should direct them to you, or to another responsible individual for correlation to formulate new questions.  I would be most glad to engage those questions.  Concerning children and the soul and the Thought Adjuster, I mentioned in passing that it is sometimes an eager parent or visitor [that] might be aware of the maturity of the soul of the infant, and what was not disclosed in that discussion was that the consciousness of the infant is an open portal to awareness of events and developments in the morontial and spiritual realm.  
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MONJORONSON:  Yes, most certainly.  If [[readers]] and [[listeners]] to these [[conversations]] have questions, they should direct them to you, or to another [[responsible]] [[individual]] for correlation to formulate new questions.  I would be most glad to engage those questions.  Concerning [[children]] and the [[soul]] and the [[Thought Adjuster]], I mentioned in passing that it is sometimes an eager [[parent]] or visitor [that] might be aware of the [[maturity]] of the [[soul]] of the infant, and what was not disclosed in that [[discussion]] was that the [[consciousness]] of the infant is an open [[portal]] to awareness of [[events]] and [[developments]] in the [[morontial]] and [[spiritual]] realm.  
 
   
 
   
Consciousness is a “portal,”—do not forget this—that is why, when you enter into meditation, you surround yourself with the Father’s presence, that of the Holy Infinite Spirit and the Eternal Son, so that you condition your consciousness, so that as you are open, you have only the best that the universe can give you.  We are not saying that the universe is full of predatory dark spirits—quite the contrary—there is only the necessity of surrounding yourself in light, as you live.  This is something that we suggest you do throughout all your waking hours, and your sleeping hours as well.  The consciousness that you are a perfecting being, that you are in the process of becoming perfect, and that you are invested with the Holy presence of a fragment of the Creator.  Few of you hold this in your consciousness, and it is very helpful that you do so when you meditate, and so on.  
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[[Consciousness]] is a “[[portal]],”—do not forget this—that is why, when you enter into [[meditation]], you surround yourself with [[the Father]]’s [[presence]], that of the Holy [[Infinite Spirit]] and the [[Eternal Son]], so that you condition your [[consciousness]], so that as you are open, you have only the best that the [[universe]] can give you.  We are not saying that the [[universe]] is full of predatory [[dark]] [[spirits]]—quite the contrary—there is only the [[necessity]] of surrounding yourself in [[light]], as you live.  This is something that we suggest you do throughout all your [[waking]] hours, and your [[sleeping]] hours as well.  The [[consciousness]] that you are a [[Progress|perfecting]] being, that you are in the [[process]] of becoming [[perfect]], and that you are invested with the Holy [[presence]] of a [[fragment]] of the [[Creator]].  Few of you hold this in your [[consciousness]], and it is very helpful that you do so when you meditate, and so on.  
 
   
 
   
Thus for the infant, who has not been enculturated and given the veils of your culture and your society, the mind is open and accessible to that from which they came.  This is also true in the elderly who are devout, and who believe in God, and who begin the slow process of dying, they also become transparent in their consciousness, and the veil of consciousness becomes thinner and thinner, as they approach the moment of death, so that they can cross through that veil, easily and consciously, which is for this new being in the morontial realm, very, very significant and enjoyable.
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Thus for the infant, who has not been enculturated and given the veils of your [[culture]] and your [[society]], the mind is open and accessible to that from which they came.  This is also true in the elderly who are [[devout]], and who believe in [[God]], and who begin the slow [[process]] of dying, they also become [[transparent]] in their [[consciousness]], and the veil of consciousness becomes thinner and thinner, as they approach the [[moment]] of [[death]], so that they can cross through that veil, easily and [[consciously]], which is for this new [[being]] in the [[Mansion Worlds|morontial realm]], very, very significant and enjoyable.
 
   
 
   
Vicki:  And I would just like to thank you again, for being here with us today to clarify our concerns.  Your presence is greatly appreciated.
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Vicki:  And I would just like to thank you again, for being here with us today to [[clarify]] our concerns.  Your [[presence]] is greatly [[appreciated]].
          
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