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Still exploring .... jim--rdavis 18:08, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
Still exploring .... jim--rdavis 18:08, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
== Jim's description re: Sedona folks ==
Hello Rob,
I've been doing extensive research on the Family of God/Vern Grimsley episode, but research on this Chicago event needs to be done. May find the time a little later.
The Sedona folks, as I understand, had no relation to the Aquarian Concepts community. In fact, a gentleman from Sedona who was a participant, also helped with a recovery program for people who had invested all of their money in the community and had become disillusioned and left. The community takes all of your personal possessions, I believe, in return for the persons belonging and doing all the work. Don't remember the fellow's name; he is black.
It is said that Tony the Baloney expected bows and genuflects and subservience because of his self-exalted status and not everyone decided they wanted to bow when he entered a room. Some elders discharged for insubordination. But they were all a motley crew who listed a variety of past lives they believe they have had, all famous people, of course, like Crazy Horse and Joan of Arc.
Tony's ambition to be a rock star has materialized at the community, where he heads up a band of musicians. His thing appears to have no relation to Urantia, which he hijacked to meet his needs. The ridiculous notion that he was writing the other 9/10th of the UB apparently has fallen by the wayside. If he was ever connected with spirit, and some say he was, he has abdicated and I doubt that the celestials would give him anything at all.
I haven't searched out the woman who transmitted Machiventa, though I have the name of a couple of her friends. She is Marilyn Green. I expect she would/will say that she transmitted the material and Machiventa is responsible for it. But I haven't talked to her.
I regret that more people who attended didn't take it to heart. Some guy from Indianapolis even railed that Caligastia was behind the event. Yet another participant said she saw him clearly and was somewhat in a daze from the experience.
Machiventa said that as a reward for our faith to come to Chicago we would each be granted what we needed the most for our spiritual growth. It worked for me, as I began to transmit fluently and move forward expediently with a lot of creative work.
It seems that Machiventa's stepdown to morontian state and his establishing his headquarters in the Lucifer Rebellion adjudication on Urantia would be impactful. But material eyes didn't see him, few people remember what was transmitted, the UB cynics were justified that it wasn't going to happen, and defensive embarrassment took a firm hold.
While the morontian teachers worked to make this happen, they could never be sure it would, and weren't sure immediately afterwards as to why it hadn't. Susan Minarik, for one, transmitted after the event, and Andrew was not sure what happened with the visualization.
I would lay that on the wisdom of God. It was a bit chaotic because so many thought nothing happened except for them fooling themselves and got emotional. Had he materialized, however, the chaos would likely have been greater. Just my idea.--rdavis 17:05, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
