Talk:1993-10-24-We Are Partners

Rob wrote: Sunday, April 08, 2012 3:05 PM

In this lesson, reference is made to a Melchizedek who has completed the materialization process and was (or is) roving about getting used to terrestrial life. Iruka says "he will make himself known when the time is right." Given Iruka differentiates this from Naperville, does anyone have any thoughts or insight as to what this person is referring to? Apparently, the first reference is "this thing we heard about last night in Portland" in the unknown Iruka group on 10-24-1993. Also, if anyone can share information about this group, it will be appreciated.

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On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 5:21 PM, Gerdean O'Dell <gerdean@cableone.net> wrote:

Looking into my murky crystal ball, I see .... I see a time when news came out of Portland, Oregon, that a Melchizedek had materialized and was seen in a locker room of the YMCA. Why he was there is anybody's guess, but he spoke to a man who conveyed the gist of that conversation to his peers in the home TeaM but no transcript was made. That was somewhat bandied about and publicized at the first Teaching Mission gathering, held on campus in Cheney, Washington.

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Rob wrote: Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 9:27 PM:

Hello Gerdean! Thank you for sharing this facet of social history. The more I study the transcripts, it is more evident the human story is as illuminating as the divine.--rdavis 02:28, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

"Conspiracy"

Ron Besser wrote: Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 9:48 PM

Rob,

I am not disagreeing with your statement below, but there is something you might want to know concerning this event and what may have led up to Naperville.

To some extent Naperville was a conspiracy of spiritual forces and material discernment. There is substantial evidence there was disagreement in the planetary government levels over what was being conducted and why. Unfortunately that evidence has been sealed and some of it was accidentally seen by me before it was taken from view - locked up - in October of 2011 by the assigned sentinels. There is good reason to believe the matter is being adjudicated as we speak and that these kinds of influences have permanently been removed as of late 2011.

I will also say this: When full disclosure is available about this era we have passed through together, it is going to open many eyes about the potential for evil influences to have controlled or twisted the event that some of you experienced under the Naperville conference banner. This is not saying any human misspoke or was in error, but it may be said that the some individuals involved on the celestial side have been detained and questioned in their role of Naperville.

On another subject but related: The unknown group you referenced concerning Iruka: It was from Seabrook, Maryland. The T/R then would have been Pam Sanderson (Pamella) and Iruka was group teacher through her. I briefly joined the group, I believe, circa 1994-95, which was located about 100 miles from me so I was not regularly attending. I do not recall the session you quoted from October 1994 concerning the materialization. I do know the subject was frequently discussed but never recorded for transcription purposes.

Also, for what it is worth, I believe that the materialization you question was identical to the materialization proposed at Naperville, and the conspiracy (if that is the proper word) craftily invented some details that could be true but were never realized. You will notice that the whole subject was dropped by 1995, and any other references take us to a dead-end unless some may wish to chase unsubstantiated rumor. There is an unaccountable gap in all transmissions from October 1994 to mid-may 1995 over all groups and lessons and I look suspiciously at the April 1994 event as the cause for a complete re-evaluation of policy regarding the teaching mission at that time.

You may also wish to note and think about the fact that not until June of 1995 when Christ Michael issued a dispensational proclamation, and at the same time, Mother Spirit, asked to be known as Nebadonia, did things normalize.

Ron

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Rob wrote: Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 10:17 PM

Hello Ron-

Thank you for sharing! I appreciate your recognition of the finitude of beings this side of Paradise and the imperfection inherent in such a state. It is clear that we are engaged in an experiment guided with utmost caution giving rise to the conditions you cite and others' experience off record.

I note with interest your mentioning Nebadonia's name being disclosed concurrent with 'normalization' in 1995 given the guarded manner of teachers prior to that concerning her role in the Teaching Mission.

If you don't mind, I would like to add your comments to the discussion page for the lesson where this is first mentioned. Also, I appreciate your sharing information about the Seabrook group. Would it be ok to incorporate that information into the record?

Gratefully,

Rob

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Gerdean wrote: Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 10:03 PM

Thanks, Ron.

I concur about Pam Sanderson being T/R for Iruka in Maryland. She was also connected to the Pocatello group, from whence she came and to which she did return and there now resides.

You said, "You may also wish to note and think about the fact that not until June of 1995 when Christ Michael issued a dispensational proclamation, and at the same time, Mother Spirit, asked to be known as Nebadonia, did things normalize." Can you direct us to the transcripts that cover the June 1995 proclamation(s)?

Gerdean