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:The group had an opportunity to sit in stillness with this proposition, and seemed open to further exploration of the option. Before leaving the gathering, however, Fred changed his mind about collaborating and said he and Tom were just going to do the project themselves. (I believe he was offended by some comments that were made).
:The group had an opportunity to sit in stillness with this proposition, and seemed open to further exploration of the option. Before leaving the gathering, however, Fred changed his mind about collaborating and said he and Tom were just going to do the project themselves. (I believe he was offended by some comments that were made).
'''Rob wrote on behalf of Fred Harris: Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 3:35 PM'''
Fred Harris has requested that the following comments be posted to tml knowing that they are appearing in a thread being saved as part of the discussion page of 2012-10-31-The Flurry 9. Apparently, the offense he took to the response at Alta Mons, he wishes to make known to tml.
:Rob, Carol Hurtado forwarded me your post to TML regarding the proposal I made to the Garden Group last weekend in Virginia. Your description is totally inaccurate and I want you to post my response (below) to TML along with a retraction and apology. If he doesn’t, Carol, please post my response, as I am not on TML.
:1. Tom Choquette wasn’t at the meeting and therefore obviously made no offer to the group. The discussion was initiated by me alone without Tom’s knowledge or consent. I suggested it when it became clear to me that the Garden Group did not have sufficient resources to acquire, design, and develop an intentional community of the type they desired.
:2. I didn’t offer the sub-lease you described, but offered to propose such a sub-lease to the Truthseeker’s Board of Directors if the Garden Group was agreeable to terms that I believed the Truthseekers board would require. I made no promises as to their agreement nor any offer of a sub-lease, just a promise bring such a proposal to Truthseekers to see if there were common grounds and interest between the two groups.
:3. Truthseekers is attempting to reach a broad range of young adults and is purposely not tied to the Urantia Book or any religious denomination because we want to convey love, service and forgiveness meanings and values to the young adults and any indication that we are pushing our agenda would be a deterrent to young truth seekers, in our opinion. We don’t tell our participants what our truth is, we encourage them to find their own truth.
:4. The goal of the proposed Truthseekers organic farm in Kentucky is to attract young adults and to steep them in these (and other) meanings and values while providing an environment for growth and mentorship in learning an occupation working with the soil.
:5. No group that wants to publically represent itself in any manner that would impede Truthseekers’ goal will be allowed to participate with our project.
:6. I explained to the Garden Group that if they were interested in community that could support the Truthseekers’ mission, but without the public espousal of their beliefs in the UB or the Magisterial Mission or anything else that would be harmful to the Truthseekers’ goal, then I would propose their involvement to the Truthseekers Board of Directors, of which I am a member. I made it clear that they could privately believe whatever they wanted, but could not impose those beliefs on our young adults.
:7. Before my proposal was even voted on by the Garden Group board, I withdrew it when no one at the gathering was willing to commit to actually moving to a community that the Garden Group proposed to establish – much less our project in Kentucky. The only interest that Truthseekers might have in extending such an offer is if it would assist us in establishing a community to support Truthseekers’ ministry. Without a commitment to assist us in growing a supportive community around our proposed organic farming operation, Truthseekers would have no reason to sublease any property to any group. And I specifically told the Garden Group that when I withdrew my offer to present such a possibility to the Truthseekers’ Board of Directors.
:8. Your characterization of this dialogue and proposal as “post-modern slavery” is so lacking in substance as to be laughable to me, however I want the people to whom you circulated this to understand the circumstances surrounding the exchange so that they can make their own decisions. You weren’t there, so you have no basis, other than hearsay, on which to make such a judgment. Next time call me directly if you want to get both sides of the story before you disparage my intentions and mischaracterize my proposals. We have known each other a long time and you should know that I wouldn’t participate in “post-modern slavery” or any such unsavory activities.
Thank you.
Fred Harris
