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'''Gerdean wrote:Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 9:30 PM'''
You mistake me, John. But I am too weary to explain myself. again. for what? who cares? it does not matter. The fifth epochal revelation defaulted years ago anyway.
"You're on your own."
'''John Kimble (Stute) wrote: Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 11:28 PM'''
No! really Gerdean. You and so many on this site are quick to jump on Ron's stuff, but rarely do we look at your inconsistencies.
First, if I recall correctly, this Monjoronson character some years ago attempted to "take over" something of yours as if a "spirit being" in a "spirit body" can take over anything of a physical/material nature. So, this tells me it must have been some "human" T/R that was in error, but you refuse to acknowledge the possibility of that to this day.
Second, you begin to transmit CHARLES, who you just loved to transmit, when Charles IS Monjoronson's right-hand assistant. Now, I ask you, what's wrong with this picture. Well, let me tell you. If I had a problem with this Monjoronson character and I could channel Monjoronson's ASSISTANT, the very first question I would ask is: 'Hey Charles, can you enlighten me about this Monjoronson character as I have struggled with believing he is real.' But NO, you did not do that. This is so one-sided and disingenuous. You are NOT interested in learning the Truth of who or what Monjoronson really is. Otherwise, you would have asked.
That's why any transmissions you do where the subject of Monjoronson comes up, is biased and "slanted" in my view, because you are absolutely CLOSED off from receiving Monjoronson energy signature. This recent message coming through you referring to Monjoronson as a "Widget", is a good example. How disrespectful can you be to someone you can not be absolutely sure he does not exists.
I mean, your hated of this "invisible" Spirit Being" really comes across in your transmissions. So, how can TML become this new website and not receive ALL of the Celestial Teachers? What happens when Donna, Daniel, Vicki, and the other T/Rs have an important message for our world from Monjoronson? Oh, I forgot, anything Monjoronson is banned on the new TML. That means this new site will be slanted, biased and "Controlled" by it's new leader - Gerdean.
And then thirdly, this non existent Monjoronson actually made an attempt to speak through you one time, as we all read the transcript, and yet, you still walk away from that experience still believing this guy is not real. Well, who the heck was that speaking through you then, and why have you NOT simply asked your dear friend, Charles, who you do believe is real, about his boss Monjoronson? You SEE the inconsistencies in your stuff Gerdean?
Well, let me tell you Gerdean, I do SEE you, and have over these many years and I am not amused. You are so quick to point out the mote in Ron's eyes and completely over look the huge beam in your own eyes.
All of these T/Rs, Daniel Raphael, Donna, Ron, and so many other have channelled Monjoronson for years now, and yet this guy does not exist. Now, what's wrong with this picture? Are ALL of these people delusional or is it just YOU.
That's why I see you as the opposite of Ron. Ron is open and vulnerable to receive, even if he makes mistakes, and you Gerdean, are so closed off, you limit your ability to receive new personalities from a "living" universe. If it ain't in the UB, it don't exist. NONSENSE!!
Ron may have falling like a star from the skies, but at least he is open enough, vulnerable enough and willing to take the "risk" to hone his skills. T/Ring is like building a successful business, you must be willing to fail in order to succeed. The ONLY way to become a great T/R, you must be willing to OPEN up your mind, get out of the way and be vulnerable to what comes through. It's a process. It takes "Spiritual Courage" and time to get it right.
I give Ron credit for the courage it takes to go far out there on that limb the way he has. That takes "Spiritual Courage" and boy he's got a lot of it and the bruises to go with it. And guess what, having learned from his experience, I bet you Ron will come back a better T/R as a result. He has LEARNED a lot from his failed experiences and you Gerdean, won't even OPEN Your Mind and be vulnerable to the many possibilities.
Now, I ask you, what's wrong with this picture?
Getting REAL in 2013
==January 19, 2013==
==January 19, 2013==
'''Steffani wrote:Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 12:25 AM'''
SAY WHAT!?!
John, even you have to know there's a genuine difference between "making mistakes" and leading others down a dark and bramble strewn path through the woods again and again, year after year!
Maybe Gerdean is right that you'll never "get it" no many how many times it is explained to you...Especially since YOUR main game is playing, "let's you and him FIGHT!" for your own entertainment!
(As others have observed and mentioned) Do you also make a habit of attending dog and cock fights for pleasure? If so...God's gonna getcha for THAT!<g>
'''Gerdean wrote:Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 1:14 AM'''
STuTe, STuTe, STute .....
Everybody everywhere these days is quick to jump on somebody else's stuff. The air is CHARGED with emotional knee-jerk reactions to almost every word anyone says. I figure it has to do with the collective consciousness reacting to the NRA / 2nd Amendment issue and the upcoming Inauguration of President Obama on Martin Luther King Jr. Day. Surely I don't have to spell it out for you.
I did enjoy transmitting Charles. Not because he was or was not associated with Monjoronson but because he was a trinitied son, which meant he had earlier experience as a mortal. Besides that, I have enjoyed the company of a Mighty Messenger before, through my first husband Alan who was a contact personality (that was before it was called T/R) and I had some familiarity with their character. I just don't think my human mind is capable of engaging with any Descending Son that has not had human experience. That is my rational response.
But beyond that, I do acknowledge that my bias against Monjoronson is HUGELY influenced by my attitude about Ron Besser. We hashed that over for years and I really don't want to get back into that. I forgave Mr. Besser in 2007 and if I don't pick at the scabs, I barely even remember how much I hemorrhaged over the way he seized the Teaching Mission archives in order to create a foundation upon which to build his Monjoronson Mission, or so I perceived.
No, I am not really interested in finding out who Monjoronson is. For a while I sincerely did want to know and had many conversations with Michael about it, and my personal teachers, who suggested I talk to Monjoronson myself so I did. (You see, I have talked to myself all my life, STuTe. Plus I am a creative writer and I can create dialog all day long with imaginary characters. Ain't no big deal.) I did assure whoever it was I did not believe Monjoronson was the Magisterial Son (because, as I said above, I have too much humility to believe a Magisterial Son has any reason whatsoever to talk to me) and I reserve the right to believe that. The entity or character with whom I was dialogueing had no problem with that. Truth can be had / found through any source. But because of my many protestations over the years about "Besser stealing my transcripts," I am not in the mood now to concede that he was right and I was wrong because I don't really believe that is true. Anyway, if it doesn't matter, it doesn't matter. If it matters to you, STuTe, that is something for you to consider, not me.
Charles and I were lined up to have further conference on Light Line but he vanished. I thought maybe Ron Besser told him not to talk to me. :-)
What else? I don't hate anybody, even any invisible. If my disbelief of this entity comes across, fine! But don't put words in my mouth. It's enough that Jack puts words in my mouth -- and Tomas, and Merium, and Andromadeus, and Paulo, and Daniel, and Abraham, and Machiventa, and Michael, and Nebadonia, and all the personal teachers, cherubim, midwayers and student visitors I have transmitted over the years. Actually, I thought Jack's explanation made a lot of sense and even made Monjoronson plausible. He said, you will recall, Monjoronson was a symbol of all our yearning, all our heartfelt need to do something to be of service, to foster spirit reality and do something for our world. It seemed like Jack was exalting this Monjoronson as the personification of what we all long for, which was very healing and congealing. There are different levels of "real" after all. If we all embraced that definition, and put our oomph into the spirit of cooperation, we might actually accomplish something.
Fear not, STuTe. Nobody is going to alter or modify TML and certainly not me. In fact, I am so computer illiterate, it will truly be an act of God if such a site as www.TheTeachingMission.com ever comes to fruition, but yes, that is true, it would be under my control. Even now, you can see what it looks like. It is on www.HarpofGod.org, in the Teaching Mission section. If you haven't gone there to check it out, I invite you to do so. And the Living Waters Library, which is the Archives of transcripts, will be arranged according to the groups to which they were assigned.
Ron Besser well might be a better T/R than me; he might be much braver than me. That is not the point. I have done a lot of work for Michael's mission ... through proselytizing the UB and through service to the Teacher Corps ... Tomas and I celebrate our 20th year anniversary of working together next month. I was working with Jack well before the circuits opened and before the Teaching Mission existed, so I am not embarassed by my humble service, nor am I eager to win any prize. My reward has been the companionship of the many Supernals I have enjoyed and the promise of yet more service to come in the Father's fields. And I am sure all of us have that same compelling urge to serve, to act .... even if it's wrong, religionists will do something.
Good night.
Gerdean
'''John Kimble wrote: Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 2:05 AM'''
Having grown up in "fear based" religion, I will never get back into that box again.
UB Fundamentalism, is that box and just as bad as what Ron as done.
Like I said, two extremes, one Conservative and Close minded and the other Liberal and extremely open to anything coming through his head without screening.
I am Independent, In the middle And my job is to make sense of all this mess Until T/R perfection is attained.
Sure Ron made a mess of things, but he did not destroy the world, The teaching mission, the magisterial mission, or anyone else for that matter, just himself.
As for his members, they learned the importance of discernment from their experience And, that was a good thing.
The only true leaders in all of this are Christ Michael, Machiventa and Monjoronson.
I "get it" quite well Stephanie and yes, Life to me is like chess, moves and counter moves, Causes and effects.
This IS the learning and growing game as I see it. Having fun? I am!!
Sweet Dreams
'''John Kimble wrote: Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 2:20 AM'''
And good night to you
Gerdean, I still love you.:))
You too Ron!! Don't give up, come back strong man!!
You too Stephanie.
YouToo TML.
You too Monjoronson.com
You too Monjoronson!!!
Love to all and a good night.
'''Rob wrote: Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 9:56 AM'''
Hello Stute-
"Monjoronson" did not take over anything as there is no thing to take. What has "taken over" is the irrationality associated with latent hunger for 'someone' to fix everything. Of course, this won't happen, and the sooner persons can listen for truth without concern for the means of its expression, sharing the same without expectations of how it should be received by others, the sooner this world can begin to live in something other than a state of crisis.
Gratefully,
Rob
'''John Kimble (Stute) wrote:Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 10:09 AM'''
Amen to that Rob. Boy! am I learning the hard way and enjoying every minute of it.
You know, men Naturally Love to fix things. In relationships men love to just fix the problem and make it better.
Since I am a male, I see God as a male and I expect for him to fix things just like I would.
Wishful thinking I know Rob, but one can hope or wish, even if it does not happen.
I KNOW God doesn't do interventions, but I sure wish he did.
Sent from STuTe
'''Rob wrote: Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 10:24 AM'''
I am glad to know you're enjoying the process of learning.! The intervention sought occurred before any awakened to awareness of a need for assistance. Such is the provision of our Source.
'''Tom Newbill wrote: Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 4:02 AM'''
'''Tom Newbill wrote: Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 4:02 AM'''