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The only 'return of Michael' that will be of ''enduring'' value is his love living in and through us all. The work required is self-evident.
The only 'return of Michael' that will be of ''enduring'' value is his love living in and through us all. The work required is self-evident.
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Steffani wrote: Wed, May 16, 2012 at 9:17 PM
Betcha dollars to donuts Marty that was NOT from RON's TA...but one another shared with him...but we'll have to ask.
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Gerdean wrote: Sat, May 19, 2012 at 12:43 PM
This is not about me. You can have a conversation without my approval. I was not interjecting anything into the conversation you two were having, Steffani and Ron. I was responding to Ron's post, exclusively. My "Thank you, Steffani" was in support of your commentary, which was the first thing I read that morning, and which seemed to support my contentions, but it was not intended that my remarks "derail" any conversation between you and Ron or anybody else. All of us have experienced comments from the peanut gallery. Life goes on. And hopefully, so do discussions. I am still interested in the subject; if I were not interested, would I have even taken exception to what Ron had to say?
For example, the transcript Ron sent was introduced as from "a Thought Adjuster" -- it did not necessarily say it was HIS Thought Adjuster (as I believe Rob Davis construed and set forth in the Nordan Symposium). If it is not Ron Besser, then who is it? Why has the trend (especially since Monjoronson has taken the reigns) become one of "the lone T/R" -- and requently the lone, unidentified T/R?
Not wanting to argue for the sake of argument, but in search of truth ... beauty and goodness. None of which seem to be in abundance here lately.
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Gerdean wrote: Sat, May 19, 2012 at 12:43 PM
This is not about me. You can have a conversation without my approval. I was not interjecting anything into the conversation you two were having, Steffani and Ron. I was responding to Ron's post, exclusively. My "Thank you, Steffani" was in support of your commentary, which was the first thing I read that morning, and which seemed to support my contentions, but it was not intended that my remarks "derail" any conversation between you and Ron or anybody else. All of us have experienced comments from the peanut gallery. Life goes on. And hopefully, so do discussions. I am still interested in the subject; if I were not interested, would I have even taken exception to what Ron had to say?
For example, the transcript Ron sent was introduced as from "a Thought Adjuster" -- it did not necessarily say it was HIS Thought Adjuster (as I believe Rob Davis construed and set forth in the Nordan Symposium). If it is not Ron Besser, then who is it? Why has the trend (especially since Monjoronson has taken the reigns) become one of "the lone T/R" -- and requently the lone, unidentified T/R?
Not wanting to argue for the sake of argument, but in search of truth ... beauty and goodness. None of which seem to be in abundance here lately.
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Steffani wrote: Sat, May 19, 2012 at 2:14 PM
Your comments weren't what derailed the discussion Gerdean, but the fact that Ron totally ignored my question and used it for a jumping off point to offer more of his personal revelations, which he presents as superceding the information given in a relatively recent epochal revelation.
I always review all transmissions and personal revelations to ascertain whether that which is given is compatible and builds upon previously revealed information, or negates, changes, and over-rides material given in the UB and from teachers with whom I've established a prior relationship of trust. And of course I run it by Jesus/Christ Michael's Spirit of Truth (not MY spirit of truth as some say), ask Mother's Holy Spirit to translate unfamiliar terms or language into idioms I understand, and ask my TA to make clear to me where the message aligns with truth as I am able to comprehend it, and where it may be at variance.
The main difference between your attitude towards Ron's messages and mine is that I am trying to give him the benefit of the doubt that he believes these things to be true, rather than knowingly putting forth "sophistries".
I would be very surprised to learn that the TA who gave this message was Ron's....because He gives due deference to Jesus/Christ Michael...and I've never before observed that understanding and degree of respect from Ron...who believes the 3rd system rebellion in the universe of Nebadon requires direct intervention by the Paradise Father...
Who because of the Divine Order which He Himself established, ONLY intercedes in the time/space universes through the Adjusters of individual beings. ([[10:1|10:1.2]]) ([[118:10|118:10.17-18]])
ANY Creator Son in ANY of the local universes, no matter how inexperienced, would have such abilities as to be more than adequate to personally deal with any "uprising in the provinces" which might occur in his own, especially after becoming a Master Son following his seventh bestowal.
OUR Creator Son had ALREADY dealt with the 2 prior rebellions during 2 of his earlier bestowal missions...and provisions are made even before the universes are created for any corrections required to compensate for any havoc inexperienced creature free-will may cause.
Anyway, since no one even considered the point I was trying to make, I attempted to post the inquiry on INFLO, realized it failed to post until today...so I tried again after no one here seemed to give a flying fig newton!
Justin, bless his lil' pea-pickin' heart...managed to read, comprehend, and respond to my post as written, with an appropriate response, in a relatively short space of time...
Somehow I found this very reassuring that someone, somewhere, was able to read and understand what I'd asked...and probably even knows why I asked it...since he found it of enough interest to bother to answer.
Ignored but hopefully NOT totally ignorant and completely clueless,
Steff
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Ron wrote: Sat, May 19, 2012 at 2:40 PM
For whatever importance it has, both Steffani and Gerdean are correct about the Thought Adjuster transmission not being from me. It was not my Thought Adjuster. It is important that the message of the teacher or the Adjuster be considered the important focus sometimes without giving the pedigree of the source or its origin. In this particular case, the return of Michael is already being prepared for and the Adjuster as the source of knowledge of these preparations is especially important. The Adjuster is the Father and he speaks as the Father and when the Father tells us that the arrival of Michael is very soon compared to being just a promise repeated in the Urantia Book, then one already has all the authority at hand to either accept it or reject it. The Father has fulfilled his wish to inform.
Please read, if that helps, the discussion in the Urantia Book about the Bestowal Commission that was found on Urantia at the time of Pentecost. It is this Commission which is active today to prepare for Michael's return within the next few years. While it is up to Monjoronson to establish what we could call the environment in which Michael returns, it is also up to Michael himself to determine in what manner his return will resonate with those he wishes to bring into spirit to help him amplify his goals or what he wishes to accomplish on his return.
There is an unusual aspect of the return because it will be within the mission of Monjoronson. Since insofar as any of us know, the return of Michael to his seventh bestowal sphere has no precedence, there is also no precedence for a divine mission within a divine mission as this will be. The second return's importance is already established because it is our Creator Son realigning Urantia to the spiritual universe, but it has meanings of tremendous import to the Supreme Being and to Uversa, and no doubt to Paradise if we but knew the reasons.
I have been asked repeatedly to obtain permission for whatever is to be said either to this list or to other sectors that publish what is released through me. In this case, I was asked by that Thought Adjuster to make the message plainly spoken to all on the TML list and to anywhere else I thought it would do the service to alert to what is at hand. I stand ready to do these things again when I am asked to make things available while recognizing not all who hear it or read it are able to confirm them spiritually or even accept them factually. I completely understand the reader's doubts and/or misgivings, but that does not make the message wrong or impertinent.
Wide doors are opening which will open to our gaze the new ways we can look at things spiritually. The fact that the Master Spirits wish to have a say in our local system of planets is an indication that the open door is going to shut no more on what it is we will be asked to share with the rest of Urantia. It is virtually impossible to ask most humans young or old to clear their minds to the extent readers on TML and elsewhere have been able to do. Messaging for the divine hierarchy is as old as the prophets themselves, but in the present age prophecy and messaging are said to no longer matter or exist by Urantia's population. Until there is a direct representative of the divine work on Urantia, the thin veneer of the teaching mission and its supporters in the Magisterial Mission, have to carry out what should be the work of legions of human organizations to help materialize the existence of God on Urantia. That is why the more important issues of what is going to happen to Urantia spiritually should be addressed and if there are complaints about modalities, let them at lest be kept at a minimum.
Ron
