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Rob writes: Given that Ron has said that he "was asked ''by that Thought Adjuster'' to make the message plainly spoken to all on the TML list and to anywhere else I thought it would do the service to alert to what is at hand", I have taken this to a be confirmation of him as the "tr" for this message.--rdavis 21:56, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
Rob writes here only: Given that Ron has said that he "was asked ''by that Thought Adjuster'' to make the message plainly spoken to all on the TML list and to anywhere else I thought it would do the service to alert to what is at hand", I have taken this to a be confirmation of him as the "tr" for this message.--rdavis 21:56, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
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Ron wrote: Sat, May 19, 2012 at 5:02 PM
Gerdean, you have not the slightest idea of what you are talking about. You sound jealous, not intellectual. I'd much rather like to see people like you coming to the bar and asking to be part of the preparations, but if that is not possible maybe you can find another venue to hold your trials over the rest of us.
And I do not work alone which is yet another supposition you make that has no basis in fact - you just assume and then get it wrong. But why explain to a closed mind like you have what the network is all about since as you will dismiss it out of hand anyhow? I take very little worth in your messages as you do not stick to the subject and seem to only want to deal in personal attacks.
The thin veneer of the teaching mission is exactly that: it is too few people to cover the mission. You know it and I know it and so does everybody else. You mean you object even to admitting the mission is not enough any more for what has to be done? Maybe Michael should shrink the mission to suit you? I rather think this would be your preference given your limited views.
I am open to discussing a lot of things with the rest of this list, but we will have to ignore the big G if we are to keep it on track.
Thanks to all
Ron
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Steffani wrote: Sat, May 19, 2012 at 5:44 PM
<blockquote>For whatever importance it has, both Steffani and Gerdean are correct about the Thought Adjuster transmission not being from me. It was not my Thought Adjuster. </blockquote>
Thank you for clarifying Ron.
Chris's perhaps? Not that it matters...
<blockquote>It is important that the message of the teacher or the Adjuster be considered the important focus sometimes without giving the pedigree of the source or its origin.</blockquote>
Agreed, but clarifying that the one posting the message is NOT the receiver would neither identify the Source, nor be confusing to those who choose to forego utilizing their own TA to validate the origin as genuine within the Father's personality circuit, and those who prefer to listen to other humans rather than listening within during their own diligent stillness practice.
My TA found this particular message exceedingly resonant for the most part...
<blockquote> In this particular case, the return of Michael is already being prepared for and the Adjuster as the source of knowledge of these preparations is especially important. The Adjuster is the Father and he speaks as the Father and when the Father tells us that the arrival of Michael is very soon compared to being just a promise repeated in the Urantia Book, then one already has all the authority at hand to either accept it or reject it. The Father has fulfilled his wish to inform.</blockquote>
He will do that (inform) directly and individually, as He always does, not through other (mortal and fallible) people. Otherwise..."not even the angels in heaven know the day or hour" per both the Bible and the UB.
<blockquote>Please read, if that helps, the discussion in the Urantia Book about the Bestowal Commission that was found on Urantia at the time of Pentecost. It is this Commission which is active today to prepare for Michael's return within the next few years. While it is up to Monjoronson to establish what we could call the environment in which Michael returns, it is also up to Michael himself to determine in what manner his return will resonate with those he wishes to bring into spirit to help him amplify his goals or what he wishes to accomplish on his return.</blockquote>
No Divine Son is going to "be born of a woman" this time...
So there really isn't much, if any, parallel or similarity in this present situation.
Having a Magisterial Son to judge the age relieves Christ Michael from having to "sit in judgment on his creatures".([[33:7|33:7.1]]), ([[20:3|20:3.1-2]])
<blockquote>There is an unusual aspect of the return because it will be within the mission of Monjoronson. Since insofar as any of us know, the return of Michael to his seventh bestowal sphere has no precedence, there is also no precedence for a divine mission within a divine mission as this will be. </blockquote>
That is your belief, a magisterial mission is on the agenda because that is Christ Michael's Plan...An unusual situation, perhaps unprecedented, but hardly unforeseen...no dramatic, capricious, and whimsical sudden CHANGES, but a potentially possible predicted 'suddenly' could happen at any time! ([[176:4|176:4.5]])
Not to worry, the Paradise Sons are all on the same page, as revealed our epochal revelatory text sent to prepare mortals for the next Divine Son mission. Mortals enjoy making plans and predictions for God, sometimes even thinking He has told them a day or an hour for Jesus return or the end of the world...on a global scale rather than as a manifestation of a personal religious experience these have come and gone...which simply means something was missed in translation from the higher to lower level...or was influenced to the point of error by the would be prophet's wishful thinking.([[20:4|20:4.5]]), ([[20:2|20:2.2]]), ([[20:1|20:1.13]])
<blockquote>The second return's importance is already established because it is our Creator Son realigning Urantia to the spiritual universe, but it has meanings of tremendous import to the Supreme Being and to Uversa, and no doubt to Paradise if we but knew the reasons.</blockquote>
Already a 'done deal'...has been for 2,000 years...It's just that the re-alignment is understandably taking previously foreseen time to work its way through the system...Although provision has been made for believers to largely escape the negative consequences of residual rebellion sequelae NOW...whenever anyone surrenders to Father's Will and starts sincerely endeavoring to follow His plan. ([[50:6|50:6.5]]), ([[34:7|34:7.4 & 6]])
<blockquote>I have been asked repeatedly to obtain permission for whatever is to be said either to this list or to other sectors that publish what is released through me. In this case, I was asked by that Thought Adjuster to make the message plainly spoken to all on the TML list and to anywhere else I thought it would do the service to alert to what is at hand. I stand ready to do these things again when I am asked to make things available while recognizing not all who hear it or read it are able to confirm them spiritually or even accept them factually. I completely understand the reader's doubts and/or misgivings, but that does not make the message wrong or impertinent.</blockquote>
Perhaps you could justifiable counsel these persons to spend more time in their own prayer closets in stillness, endeavoring to hear the message for themselves directly from their own indwelling Spirit, rather that trying to be God's voice to the uninitiated?
<blockqutoe>Wide doors are opening which will open to our gaze the new ways we can look at things spiritually. The fact that the Master Spirits wish to have a say in our local system of planets is an indication that the open door is going to shut no more on what it is we will be asked to share with the rest of Urantia. It is virtually impossible to ask most humans young or old to clear their minds to the extent readers on TML and elsewhere have been able to do. Messaging for the divine hierarchy is as old as the prophets themselves, but in the present age prophecy and messaging are said to no longer matter or exist by Urantia's population. Until there is a direct representative of the divine work on Urantia, the thin veneer of the teaching mission and its supporters in the Magisterial Mission, have to carry out what should be the work of legions of human organizations to help materialize the existence of God on Urantia. That is why the more important issues of what is going to happen to Urantia spiritually should be addressed and if there are complaints about modalities, let them at lest be kept at a minimum.</blockquote>
Our Father has been gracious enough to put the gift of Himself, the TA, within each of His human children...Is there any reason to doubt He wants the friendship and fellowship of each and every one of them in communion every day?([[102:4|102:4.1]]), ([[52:5|52:5.4]])
He's got it covered Ron, and doesn't need any mortal "special messengers"...just for EVERYONE to listen to Him and do their fair share of 'trust and obey'!
Why not encourage others to hear His Voice for themselves?
Perplexed,
...why you think other Spirit indwelt Urantians can't get it without your help?
Steff
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Rob wrote: Sat, May 19, 2012 at 5:47 PM
Hello Ron-
Thank you for sharing this message and confirming that you were "asked by that Thought Adjuster" to make the message known to others as this confirms for my purposes that you are the human source for this message.
Regardless, it has been suggested that for persons living true to themselves, the coming of the Magisterial Son could be but a courtesy call [http://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=2006-01-14-If_True_To_Selves,_Visit_Would_Be_Courtesy_Call 1] while the return of Michael will be of little more practical importance than the common event of death [http://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=176:4_The_Return_of_Michael 2] and perhaps less so for those who have already seen him and consciously walk with him while living their mortal lives.
It is known that the more intensely we live in each unique moment of disclosure, the less preoccupied we are with past or future events even as our experience begins to encompass their scope in a manner that hints of an evolving acclimation to eternity. [http://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=118:1_Time_and_Eternity 3] Perhaps this explains the "conscious unconcern" of the "sleeping subject" with phenomena associated with the transactions resulting in the Urantia Papers that were regarded as fortuitous. [http://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=110:5_Erroneous_Concepts_of_Adjuster_Guidance 4]
Gratefully,
Rob
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Oliver Deux wrote: Sat, May 19, 2012 at 7:25 PM
To me it was just a question of time before humans attempt to fulfill their wishes to predict the time when our Universe Father and Brother will once again walk this planet.
Yes, Ron, I have been lurking and waiting, and have anticipated that this will come most likely come out of your stable of lone-R/Ts, most often undisclosed closet channelers.
How many times must we learn that all of our attempts to nail and peg the MS to our cross of wishfulness is futile in wanting to be the first to know when the big spiritual administrators arrive?
How many times do we need to hear lone transmitters give us dates that come and go, before we sit back and contemplate that the heaven's time frame is what it is — not to be down-sized and adjusted to our human senses?
How is it possible that you, an otherwise articulate and intelligent bro, finds so much pleasure in being the first to ticker-tape the alleged good news that has never once arrived—packed and re-packed in mere speculation.
Surely everyone knows that the epochal revelation's angels and midwayers are on record of having speculated that the MS, Christ Michael, even Adam and Eve might come here during the same time interval. So we create wishes that this happens when we are around during our very short time span on this world. Understandable. But to make this speculation a busy-body human self-wish fulfillment business is rather stale in view of our deleterious track record for time predictions for appearances.
You seem to live off spiritual glamor, seemingly believing that the Universal Father gives you privileged information, when we have been told over and over that He is no respecter of persons, that he deals with us all alike. Yes, there is what we can term, spiritual pressure, and the only difference among us is that some of us have the faith to access a part of that pressure according to our own willingness to do His will and wanting to know. But the Father has long before the CIA installed the basis of a need-to-know.
He sent teachers to work with us on our level of needing to know, individually, and you want to almost sigelhandedly change this into a world-wide web-based universal need-to-know. But spiritual growth is dedication, and it is work on oneself. It is sitting on ones tush and wanting to hear that which is for us to know, that which is the next step for us individually. All the rest is trimming, is mind candy. You may be intrigued by the possibility to live morontia consciousnes now, but unless you dedicate many waking hours to such practice, I am afraid it remains only some interesting thought of what might be possible.
Your alert to "what is at hand"? You do this since years with your MS Mission and how many times was he at hand? I lost count. I am sure you can enlighten me about the many failed prediction, some even came out of established groups.
Wide doors are not opening, they are open to the extend already that you and I sit in our stillness or meditation and humbly do the walk and not just do the talk. The only door that needs to open is the door to our personal Fragment of the living God that indwells in us. That enhanced realtionship gives us spirit luminosity and attracks others to us. We can become teachers instead of hoping that enough people click enough so that they find and recognize and embrace and practice what is offered on our websites. Most have already their own version of a possibility for God-contact. You can't lead "legions" of truth-seekers to embrace your missions overnight.
Evolution is a slow process and time is on our side. I once tried to convert time periods from the Urantia paper into our notion of time, our time sense. It's in the back of the later editions of the Concordex. I do not remember figures, but it was astronomical to convert the length of time from above to our time below. (Would be interesting to have that information again, as I have no Concordex here.)
There are no "complaints", Ron. You have been unpersuaded for a long time, and that shows among other things how much you like spiritual glamor.
Oliver
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Ron wrote: Sat, May 19, 2012 at 11:00 PM
TML and Steffani
I am glad to discuss these aspects with you, Steffani. Just don't lead me down the garden path to the "gotcha" stuff. I don't like it any more than you do or anyone else does. If this were not so important I would probably pass and just let the whole subject slip down the drain on the list. You and many others are not understanding there is a shift in priorities on Urantia and the way it is to be redone on Urantia does not follow the regular paths laid down by the Urantia Book. You do not have to believe me, but if you wish to comprehend the nature of these changes, it is best to allow some information come to you without stepping all over me and the spiritual personalities who sponsor these changes.
First, you and a few others on this list keep making the mistake it is just Ron's beliefs. That is not so. I do not believe in guesses. I rely on what is told by the highest spiritual personalities in the universe which the teaching mission continues to fail to engage for their own education. It is your belief these are my beliefs - that gets us no where. You attempt to confirm this view by dicing me and the messages up with your past experiences that are no longer operable as far as the teaching mission is going to operate very shortly. It would be greatly helpful to allow some messaging to come through and begin to make an impression on you. Rather than fighting every word uttered why not put that energy in a genuine effort to understand what is being told and how it will work in the big picture. Your opinions will come later.
It is no illusion. Monjoronson is going to open the new dispensation on Urantia shortly. He will set the conditions on Urantia in various ways that will serve to introduce the second return of Michael to his bestowal planet. These are the plans in the big picture. The details have not been released except to announce that 24 Melchizedeks are in the process of incarnating now. They will make themselves known soon enough.
Because the teaching mission has stopped transmitting celestial personalities who could have informed you of these changes, the mission people have gotten way behind in assimilating their part in the events to unfold. It would serve all of us very well if those who transmit would get busy and ask for transmissions from Luminerion, the seraphic chief of angelic services on Urantia. Please ask for this transmission! He awaits the invitation. There are others waiting in the wings to confirm what I have told you, but as long as any transmitter holds him- or herself aloof, there is not chance you will hear the confirming narratives that would flow to you.
Second, it is both frustrating and very irritating to hear opinions that have nothing to do with the facts of the operation I have been privileged to work with. I do not work alone. I work with at least six other transmitters each assigned a specific task in the broadcasting of materials whether they are new or old. Since the network is designed to receive from outside of the local universe, we operate in a slightly different way than the classroom. In effect, we are receivers of broadcasts and you will never understand the difference unless the teaching mission or yourself avails themselves to the way they do things. The Deities on Paradise with their Master Spirit Voices do not ask if there decisions are okay with you or me; they tell you what their decisions are and you accommodate their wishes. The teaching mission was a way to celebrate the end of t he Lucifer rebellion; the network that broadcasts to receivers on Urantia is put into place to celebrate the return of Michael!
And it is not that you have not been invited. You have been, and frequently. But the deaf ear people turn to what is being told indicates on the highest levels the teaching mission human personnel are not interested or are they caring that Michael wishes their service for himself when he arrives on this world to begin his second return and whatever he wishes to do with it. Where are your voices and offers of service? Where are you placing your desires if not in the Michael plans for Urantia?
So long as the teaching mission exists as currently run - and it is run in response in to what the group is willing to take on or do - there will be no confirmations and you will continue to make the error that these operations are haphazard and faulty. They are not either, and it is not a belief we send to you, but facts based on solid transmissions coming through the superuniverse and Havona through a network of at least six individuals bound together to get the full picture. They are not doing that for the fun of it! They are doing it because Michael is returning! Paradise is in charge of implementing the Father's will on Urantia, and it is the Father's will that Michael come as quickly to Urantia as is possible.
Third, all of you make errors in judgement that what you hear through The FLURRY or The ABC Summaries are somehow made through my particular demands, choices, or mechanization. Other than proofing and organizing these materials, it is not me but the network broadcasting pertinent data that would greatly help everyone of you to understand the era you are about to come into. Without it you will join the larger population who will react with fear and panic.
Somehow the motions must be made in each of the minds on this list that you will move toward some resolution of the stalemate so many are in as to which way to turn and what to do about the position you may find yourself in. We already know one individual on this list attacks without understanding what she attacks. We have others who just support these views without understanding they are complicit in unacceptable behavior among those who should know better.
This evening the network broadcast this response to the situation on TML. They hear everything my friends and nothing escapes their attention especially when the subject of cooperation is being threatened to become inoperable again on TML. I have no intention of identifying this message other than to say it comes from the completion seraphim who are part of the Michael bestowal commission now in full operation on Urantia.
The Supreme Seraphim Manotia and Loyalatia jointly expressed the following on 5/19/2012:
''"With sadness we observe the exchange that is currently taking place in the forum where the Teaching Mission and the Magisterial Mission are taking place. The very few hands that are currently available to do the immense amount of work to be undertaken must not delve into discussions where personal feelings are taking over reason, and most importantly, personal attacks are completely out of place in the forum and out of character when associated with the dedicated readers of the Urantia book that participate in the aforementioned forums.
"Dear brothers and sisters, pay attention instead to what is required to be done in order to support the extraordinary and divine work that is about to take place on this sphere. You must not mimic the sad practice that very unfortunately some of the original followers of Jesus fell into, that of passing judgment on others’ views as far as Father’s special enterprises and His message, conveyed by our sovereign Creator Son, are concerned.
"Look inside of you; seek Father’s own validation of what is being transmitted via His representative in your being, the divine Thought Adjuster. I assure all of you that what lies ahead will be very hard and difficult work that might even entail possible personal harm. When there are doubts or questions about a transmission, seek the answers inside of you and refrain from feeding the soul with negative energies that stain it; the soul that you fight so hard to clean through your service and dedication to the Universal Father.
"Like it is said on Urantia, “roll up your sleeves and get to work”. Be a guiding light to others and honor Father with your personal example. We want to remind you all that what the Father has so lovingly but firmly requested will be done here, and soon, regardless of the opinion or level of understanding of the average mortal alive today on this sphere. Prepare yourselves to be the humble mortal representatives of Father’s glorious ministry of love and mercy."''
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I would be happy to provide everyone of you just how this works and what it brings to Urantia. None of us are being asked to dismantle the teaching mission, but we are being asked to adjust to the new teaching mission where it is possible to hear beyond the corp of teachers trained by Michael to now also hear the outer reaches of Nebadon, the Major Sectors, Uversa, and Havona and Paradise. Let us put aside the personal dislikes long enough to actually get some work done on behalf of the Magisterial Mission upon which Michael depends to open the door to his soon-time return.
Much is to be learned, but there are few of you on TML that want the new earth to flow forth without you setting conditions on how you are willing to participate. How does that work when the Father's will seeks no conditions on it? Where I come from, one goes where the truth goes regardless of how that damages expectations and our own comfort levels. Creation is chaotic and demanding and there is little room to allow decision makers and service guides to sit on their laurels of their yesterdays.
Feel free Steffani, to ask again anything I have no covered in these explanations.
Ron
