2010-04-13-Death and the Elderly

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Topic: Death & the Elderly

Group: N. Colorado TeaM


Teacher: Monjoronson

TR: Daniel Raphael



Vicki: Dear Father, as we reach up to Monjoronson for guidance, we ask that you surround us with your presence. Through the assistance of Christ Michael, our Mother Spirit and unseen helpers, we ask to be encased in a circuit of pure light, emanating truth, beauty and goodness. We come to you with our hearts held high, in awe of our divine origin, and in so doing, we bow our heads in gratitude and humility. May we see our brothers and sisters in this same light, and gratefully, humbly serve them. Amen.

Vicki: Good morning, Monjoronson. (Good morning.) Is there anything you would like to share before we begin?


Urantia, Intervention

  • Urantia receiving greater intervention

MONJORONSON: Only that as your world changes more rapidly, as you see more disruption, we have a greater potential and greater activation to be involved in your human activities. This is essential: Your world has not and is not proceeding according to the Divine plan for planets, so there must be greater intervention, without manipulation and without obscuring individual will in our work, to bring about your world into a world that enters into the era of light and life. You will wonder at the development of our plans, as you see almost oddly, strangely, coincidence and serendipity in the development of events and plans of men and women in organizations. You will know that it is us, who are present and bringing these developments into occasion. Thank you.

Vicki: Oh, thank you for preparing us for that! I did indeed receive questions from our audience, and if you don’t mind, I’d like to share some of their concerns and questions with you.

My first topic is on the concept of “hell.” One of our readers has an aging father who practices as a Baptist Minister, and who is convinced that we will spend time in a place called hell for our earthly transgressions, and fears death for this reason. This reader thought maybe a few words from you would comfort his father. Can you speak to the history of this belief and its validity?

Hell, Culture

The history behind the concept of hell

MONJORONSON: Most certainly; I would be glad to. First of all, the concept of hell lies in the history of dualism and duality that the human mind has a penchant for devising and accepting as the alternate reality to your physical dimensions. The universe is far, far more generous in its capacity than offering you only two choices. There are many choices involved in your ascension plan. Culturally, the hell that you are referring to has been defined by other cultures differently than your strict definition and how you arrived there. You would be wise to discover the cultural definitions of hell: The Greeks had one definition, the Hebrew race had another.

The Christian heritage and culture has definitely devised its own “Machiavellian hell.” I use that word “Machiavellian” intentionally, as it is a similar era as your old writer named Dante. Dante is the one who truly defined the hell that you fear, the hell of horrendous agony with brimstone fires, and such. This simply does not exist in God’s universe. There are other ways of perceiving this dimension than this awful and brutal materially oriented hell. For anyone who has come into the presence of God, who in your words has had a “God experience,” who has experienced that contact with their Thought Adjuster on some realm, knows that “not to know God is hell.” To be out of the proximity of the Divine, is hell. To put yourself at a distance from this beauty, from this love, from this central source of truth, is hell. For many of the beings living in the afterlife—you would call “spirit”—your world is a living hell; it is material, it is bound, it is defined and you are confined to this material realm. You have limited vision of what exists past this that is available to spiritual beings in the universe.

No, my friend, the sins that you have waged against your world and yourself, are already forgiven. You have preached these words of forgiveness for decades upon decades, and yet you have not come to accept this universal forgiveness that God has given you. Truly, as Jesus said, “When you forgive, you are already forgiven,” and this you have repeated hundreds of times, if not thousands of times, in the “Lord’s Prayer.” This is a truism that always exists. Your boundaries for forgiveness are your own, my friend, not that of God. Truly, you would have to reject God and live in inequity, continuous sin and evil, and deny the love of God in your life, to actually come into non-existence. There truly is no hell; it is not even a limbo land or dimension, at all; it is nonexistence and all records of your presence in the universe are erased, so that you are forgotten for all eternity. Truly, for those who know God, this is the hell past all imaginations and all dimensions of your imagination. Thank you.

Vicki: Is it possible, Monjoronson, that one who is predisposed to this belief in hell, could actually manifest this existence or something similar after death, in their own consciousness?


Can the mind of man manifest hell?

MONJORONSON: As I have said, the universe is very generous. What you devise in your mind can come into existence. You on this material realm already know much of this. You live in poverty; you live in fear; you live in disgust; you live in resentment to the point where finally you are so agonized and disgusted by your own feelings and emotions surrounding these states of existence that you finally refute them; you deny them out of your existence, and so they disappear. You could manifest this in some ways, but if you truly are seeking to become closer to God, more perfect in your growth and your development, this would not come into existence. The closest that you would come to this is to be placed in detention when you cross over to the afterlife, where you would remain until you decided to accept the love of God and the ascendant career that is offered to you and to everyone. It is your choice.

As I said, the universe is a generous place, and those individuals who want to live in this, could do so perhaps, in the afterlife in that interim era before they go to the mansion worlds. Again, this is a realm of existence which is uncomfortable for many of you to think about, to accept as a possibility. Many of those who do live in this in-between land, so to speak, do so because they do not accept the reality of not being alive, and they do not accept the reality of their infinite career ahead of them. They refuse to proceed. It is as though it is a child who has had a tantrum and has locked themselves in a closet and will not come out until they open the door and it is the universe, the world, the home that they want, and this is just not so.

The universe is a benevolent and benign and generous place to live, and you are offered a magnificent career of ascension and development and growth, into the afterlife and the spiritual life to Havona and to Paradise. If you want to devise this non-existence, this limbo land, that is totally up to you. We will do all we can to prepare you to cross over from these dimensions into the morontial dimensions, easily and quickly. You can do it in three days if you are curious and hungry to know God, to know and grow in truth, beauty and goodness in the afterlife. There is no need to remain in this limbo state. I hope this has answered your question.

Vicki: Thank you, and I think you were very generous in your answer, as well.

Here is another question from one of our readers: He says, “There are a lot of places I have yet to see and experience on this planet. Upon death and before we enter the tunnel, do we have the option to do a little sightseeing around the world, before we leave our beloved planet?”


After death, can we go sightseeing on our world?

MONJORONSON: No. You who are hungry to know God, those who wish to get on with the beauty of their life and their ascension program, will find the light that you speak of, to be entrancing, to draw you very, very similarly as a moth is drawn to a flame, encircle that flame and some who enter the flame as moths, die. However, you who enter the flame, the light, the tunnel, live forevermore, if you choose to. Your options are limited as I have explained in the prior answer; you would be in agony, you would be in a perpetual, spiritual angst, living in this in-between sphere. You would not have the consciousness and joy to engage the beauty of your world. You would want to move on. This is part of what the Urantia Book talks about not returning to your homeland during this dispensation. [This is Daniel: This is really curious!] You who take three days to cross over, avoid the dispensational restrictions. Once you cross over, you go to the world where you learn to exist and be in the morontial life. You are given permission in the accompaniment of your spiritual guides to return if there is something eminently important for you to accomplish, upon your return. Sightseeing is not an option, my friends; No postcards either. And the T-shirts you will bring back with you from the morontial realm will not be recognized by your friends. (Much laughter.)

Vicki: I love this!

MONJORONSON: So enjoy your world as long as you are here, and enjoy your speedy transit to the morontial realm upon your death.

[This is Daniel: He is really getting to identify, he’s boxing in this transit area, isn’t he?

Vicki: He really is, and I’m so thankful for this.

Daniel: Have you ever heard that before? I’ve never heard that before, that when you die and cross over in three days, you avoid the dispensational restrictions.

Vicki: Yes, yes—and also the possibilities that if there is something eminent, that you can return, that there is a little flexibility here.]

Vicki: Monjoronson, I’m going to ask one more question, which I feel is more of a clarifying question, again coming from a reader: When one exists as a sleeping survivor, do they participate in any activities or experiences, such as dreams at that time?

MONJORONSON: No, absolutely not.

Vicki: This question is also something that has been much discussed, but is coming from someone outside of our movement, who is exploring this, through the reading of books and contemplation, so I will proceed: Much has been discussed about why pain and suffering of the innocent is allowed on our planet, including discussions of the defaults in our checkered past, the immaturity of our civilizations that result in this pain and suffering, and affect our abilities to deal with the pain and suffering of others, as well as the universal protection of free will. Do you, Monjoronson, have anything more you would like to add to help us understand why this is allowed to occur?


  • The reasons pain and suffering are allowed

MONJORONSON: This topic has been discussed numerous times before, and I will say again, that the universe was created as an evolutionary developmental environment for growth. The cause of pain and discomfort in your world is not caused by God, yet it is allowed to exist. Your Creator did not create a universe to put you on a morphine drip, so that you would be in ecstasy all your life, avoiding the pains and vicissitudes of your material world. It is important that you be able to experience your world to the fullest.

It is important for you to experience the capacity and power that is eminent in your free will! Very few of you on this world have truly exercised the dimensions of your free will to exit the pain and suffering that is around you. Why is it that individuals who live in the slums continue to do so, where there is rampant crime and immorality, when they know the difference and they then choose to stay there? It is their choice to stay. It is their choice to leave. You have a tremendous opportunity to explore the dimensions of free will; most of you have failed to do so; most of you have failed to exercise your God-capacity to create the world and your life as you would seek and like. Part of that is not seeking a life of material ease, or easy supports, but to experience the greatest capacity of your becoming, to engage the growth of your life in a meaningful way.

The difficulties and traumas of life in your world are those that are caused by nature, which—and remember that nature treats you very fairly; everybody is given the same benefits and difficulties across the world. The other realm of difficulties that you engage are ones from others, and this can be very individual, can it not? Another realm of difficulties are those that you cause for yourself; of which you have total control; which you fail to exercise. This world could become a much easier world to live in, in one generation, were everyone to decide that they would not injure others and would not injure themselves.

Why God lets this occur is part of the grand plan of the “universe becoming,” of God the Supreme coming into its fullness, that all experiential opportunities for good are exercised, explored and chosen, during the lifetimes of individuals, both in the material realm and the hereafter. God has allowed this to occur as a benefit to your afterlife, so that during this lifetime, you can exercise the course of growth that you begin to design and actually fill the mold of your morontial existence during this lifetime, by the decisions and choices you make, many of which involve how you live, where you live, and with whom you live.

Vicki: At this point, I’m going to move on, and talk about dying. There have been many who as they approach death, claim that they communicate with loved ones, often in dreams. Could this be a by-product of their ability to see beyond their earthly existence as the veils are lowered?

MONJORONSON: Yes, exactly so.

Death, Communication

Can there be communications between the dead and dying?

Vicki: Others in their near death experiences claim to encounter loved ones that have passed. Do our loved ones who have passed, ever play a role in helping us cross over at the time of our passing, and if so, in what ways?

MONJORONSON: No, they do not. This is a sacred moment in the life experience of the individual, who is crossing over. The presence of loved ones, of guardian angels at that time that the individual sees, is a symbol of assurance that all is well, to reach out their hand and cross over, so to speak. They are not there to ease the way, but to—in a metaphor, to open the door and say, “Welcome, it is this way”—in the afterlife.

Vicki: In our last session, we talked about the ways that the living can assist the dying to cross over. Are there other times when it is appropriate and helpful to communicate with or pray for loved ones who have already crossed over, and if so, can you give us an example?

Is it appropriate to pray for the dead?

Monjoronson: This activity is largely one for the individual who is praying, to give themselves assurance that the individual in the afterlife is being cared for. This is their connection to the afterlife. I and your angels and archangels and the receivers of your soul and Thought Adjuster in the afterworld, can assure you that all care is given to those who cross over. Those who do not, are sleeping survivors, or those who are not surviving. Your prayers have no effect for those who are sleeping and waiting for the dispensation. Your prayers, I would say, are “not for nothing,” for they are for something, as they give you greater connection to the afterlife for yourself.

There is every care and necessity provided for your loved ones in the afterlife. They are loved; they are nurtured; they are cared for; they are given every opportunity that is reasonable and even past that which is reasonable, to your thinking now, to advance in their morontial existence, their spiritual growth, and to move ahead. You could not be in better care than the care you will receive in the afterlife. You are truly in the presence of the organization of love and support from the Creator in the afterlife. Do not be disappointed in this revelation to you, as it is for many a mechanism of religiosity; it is a continuation of those odd and quaint beliefs, generated by religious organizations in the centuries of their development. Feeding these things to you, does not take out or remove any of the magnanimous gift of the afterlife that you can begin to experience now, as you prepare yourself for that existence, for that reality. When you pray for others, do so in joy for yourself, not to console yourself about the doubts that you have for your own crossing over. Know that you will be eagerly and gratefully received when you do cross over.

Vicki: In my research this week, I looked into other ways that we can assist the dying, spiritually, and one thing that surfaced quite often was “meditation.” And so I’m wondering if you could give us from a spiritual perspective, ways meditation could be used to facilitate the dying process?

Meditation, Hospice

  • Meditation as a tool for the dying

MONJORONSON: Most certainly. You have hit upon a subject of great benefit. Meditation in the presence of the dying, particularly when there are two or three gathered together to meditate with the dying, offers a wonderful communion of consciousness. I do not say “souls,” but I say “consciousness,” as this person who is dying, is beginning to cross over. It is very much like a placenta, after the child is born, the placenta begins to come away from the wall of the uterus, the womb, and it is best done when it is left to its own devices, rather than being tugged upon by the umbilical chord, causing a tear.

Your meditations assist the individual to pull away from this material existence, peacefully and easily. Many times, those who are dying, cross over as though they are being dragged by the heels, that they are resisting at every turn, the ease of crossing over, that they are grasping at every straw and every sensory input that they can, to remain in the material realm, rather than more easily crossing over, giving up the obvious to that which is not so apparent. Your meditation with them is a communion of consciousness, to assist the individual in understanding and knowing that this birth canal is wide open, and that there is literally a light at the end of this tunnel. It is very, very much like a birthing process to the point where the metaphor almost disappears. Those who meditate with the dying, must do so with a common intention that this is discussed ahead of time, so that everyone is on the same page, to get the one who is dying on that page as well. The intention is this: The removal of fear; fear of non-existence, but rather moving into that which is so obvious to many of you, who have had mystical experiences during your meditations, that this is a time of beginning to practice this crossing over, to know that which is unknowable, to experience that which is unknowable during your lifetime. Meditation is an assist to the individual who is dying, and usually the difficulties arrive in the dying for those who have not meditated during their lifetime, who have not had that ineffable experience of knowing God in that immeasurable, non-empirical way. Thank you for your delightful question.

Vicki: I think we are continuing more and more to learn the benefits of meditation, all through our lives.

MONJORONSON: May I say this, that the topic of dying is so close to the morontial realm, you can aspire to and even accomplish the lower realms of the morontial, while you are living [your mortal life.] It is not that you are experiencing dying, but that you are experiencing the continuation of living, while in this material lifetime. You then begin to see the fruits, the flowering, the joy of the process of crossing over, of dying, that you shed this cocoon, this chrysalis to now engage the butterfly existence of living in the morontial realms. Thank you.

Vicki: So what you’re saying is that when we go into a state of meditation, it gives us a little picture into our future consciousness—correct?

MONJORONSON: Most definitely, yes. And that you can continue this consciousness, this contact, in your waking lives, as you live your life in the presence of God, much as some of the monks did in their daily chores, of working in the kitchen, or the scullery. Rather than being in the depths of drudgery, they aspired to the heights of knowing God in this activity.

Vicki: Thank you! That was extremely beneficial. We talked briefly last session, about Tibetan beliefs, and their references to visualizations that are common during various stages of dying and dissolution. Are there common visualizations that occur within our consciousness at the time of dying, that we all may experience, or is this an individual experience?

Vision, Mansion Worlds

Are visualizations common as a death experience?

MONJORONSON: There truly are commonalities in the visualizations of the dying, as they experience this process, and again, this is most generally experienced by those who have already meditated, who have already opened the channels of God knowingness, of morontial knowingness, during their mortal, material lifetimes. The commonalities are numerous. Many experience their close friends or family who are waiting for them, and this visualization is very common. There is as well, a common vision of the two guardians that will accompany the individual as they cross over, to escort the soul memory as the individual proceeds to the morontial realm.

Another commonality are those who see the morontial realm that they are to go to. It is as though they have a “preview” (as a movie trailer) of the morontial life, after they have come away from the mansion worlds and see the morontial realms that they will live in. Some as well, have a common experience of being escorted on a “tour” in the morontial realms, and they are in awe. This is something that has been common. It is common as well, though less frequent, for those to see the face of Jesus, to see him welcome them into the afterlife. As well, there are those of other religious beliefs, who are greeted by their Masters, who have crossed over long ago. These are commonalities that are provided, that are shared, that are “on tap” and available for those who are able to accept them and enjoy them. Surely these—for those who are frightened of death and are fearful of crossing over—they are simply left with the tunnel of light to cross through, a benevolent, warm, greeting environment, the ambiance of which is past understanding. Then those who fear death and resist crossing over, but nonetheless their body dies, they have difficulty as well. There are numerous commonalities to this process. I hope that through the sessions of our discussions now and in the past, that you begin to map the geography of the crossing over process; it is something that is known to many advanced and developed, spiritually oriented groups. I hope this helps.

Vicki: Yes, I think we’ve done quite a bit of mapping here. I think you’ve provided us with a lot—thank you. (You are welcome.)

I’m going to move on to another topic that has been answered briefly in past transcripts but continues to be an area of concern and is brought up quite a bit to me. It has to do with our pets, when they pass.

Here on earth, some of us find more comfort and loving from our pets than we do from some human individuals, and so we grow very attached to them. From what has been said about animals, we know that they are endowed with up to five of the Adjutant Mind Spirits, and that they do not have souls. This implies that they do not survive after dying on our planet. Is this correct?


Do pets survive the death experience?

MONJORONSON: Again, this is an answer with gradients to it. Yes, it is correct, but not totally. And you may ask, well what do I mean by that. I will proceed now, unless you have clarifying questions in back of your original question.

Vicki: Only that many struggle with the finality of losing a faithful and loving pet, and with the reality of never seeing them again, as they may anticipate with their human friends and family. Could you possibly help us resolve this?

MONJORONSON: As you have said, some of your pets are invested with five levels of the Adjutant Mind Spirits. This is not always true for every pet: Does a goldfish have five? Does a gerbil have five? Or do other pets have five? Surely the intelligent marine animals that your scientists have studied do surely have five levels of Adjutant Mind Spirits. Whether your pets cross over or not, is dependant upon numerous factors. Many of your inbred species are less intelligent and far less intelligent than whales, dolphins or porpoises. They are not of the capacity to cross over. It is not that they are not worthy and deserving, it is simply as though they are a “cracked vessel,” that the water you pour into it does not hold. These animals simply do not have the intelligence and mindal capacity to remain. They do not have a consciousness that some animals have.

Consciousness, as you know, is very evolved, yet numerous of your animals do have a rudimentary consciousness to them. Consciousness is the thread of continuity that allows them to enter the afterlife. Yes, they do not have a soul, as they do not have the minded capacity for moral decisions. They lead scripted lives, according to their gene structure and the intelligence and capacity to learn by their living. Evolved pet owners, who assist their pets in developing their consciousness and the expression of their mindal capacities, offer their pets the opportunity or the capacity in consciousness, to cross over and remain. Yes, they do not make a moral contribution to God the Supreme, but nonetheless they offer a meaningful existence and connection and continuation to you mortal beings who have consciousness and the capacity to increase the development and evolution of your consciousness. This is a question of immense depth, compared to that which you know and have studied already. Many of your pets will simply become erased in the ground as so much dust and ashes; only some of the most evolved animals will cross over.

Vicki: I think that’s one of the most complete responses we’ve had to that question. Thank you, Monjoronson, and I think it provides some hope.

Now I am going to move to another topic, and I only have one question here. It has to do with the sustainability model that was passed down by Sondjah to the co-creative teams. Some have wondered about the origin of the three primary values of life, equity and growth, used to explore our beliefs and our expectations and used as well to plan for future actions. “Where did these come from?” Could you tell us more about the origin or significance of three values and why they were picked for this process?


The three primary values of sustainability

MONJORONSON: Oh, most definitely! You recall that Sondjah gave these to you in his work with the Evergreen, Colorado experimental Co-Creative Design Team. Now, where did Sondjah get them? That is your question, is it not? (Yes.) Sondjah got them from the archives of sustainable worlds. Sustainable worlds are those that have entered into the early phases of light and life, those that have a single language, a single culture, a single government, a single race. These three values are much more easily identified and identifiable on those worlds. These values come from the multi-age-long learning experiences of working with evolutionary worlds, where there are conscious mortals who are invested with either the Father Fragment, the Son Fragment, or the Spirit Fragment, that this is a part of the validation by the Spirit of Truth, that is given to a world upon the bestowal of a Bestowal Son, [or] one of the Avonal Sons. These three values are not only historic, but transcendent, upon the material, mortal, existential, experiential living of mortals on material worlds. These are—you might say—etched in the very archival walls of your morontial records. These are (chuckling) the “ABC’s of civilizational existence” that is taught in the morontial realm.

Vicki: I’m thinking that in the future, others may ask why we start with these three values. So thank you very much for that. (You are most welcome.)

Monjoronson, this discussion of death and dying leads to another concern and another topic, that I wish to explore with you, and that is the “elderly” in our culture. What is your assessment of the care and handling of the elderly people in our society?


  • The care and handling of the elderly

MONJORONSON: I am pondering how to place your caring of the elderly, amongst the various, hundreds or thousands of planets, and within the various hundreds of cultures of your own planet. Your referent for your culture is limiting, and does not represent that which is provided in numerous other cultures on your world, yet there are places on your world that do emulate some of the best practices of more evolved worlds and societies. Would you like me to discuss that, or give you a round assessment in answer to your question?

Vicki: Actually you addressed my second question, which is: Can you give us some good examples in our cultures that would inform us on how to better care for and treat the elderly?

MONJORONSON: I would be glad to. In the worst cases on your world, there is the dismissal of the elderly as being “irrelevant,” and “immaterial” to the rest of society. They are “discards” from the mainstream of your society, and this attitude is despicable and unkind, to say the least. A more helpful orientation is to be much more responsible to that era in which all of you will enter. Some of you will enter it with dementia; you will have the incapacity to care for yourself; you will not have the capacity to bathe or clothe or feed yourself. Your really are an automaton in many ways. Many of the switches will have turned off and have become deactivated. This group of individuals can be cared for benevolently in a facility which meets their needs.

There is another group which continues to be conscious, who continue to be contributing members of their society and those who are helpful to themselves. Many of them are enfeebled in their body and body mechanism, but have a competent mind function. It is important to allow these individuals to reach the age where their physical bodies begin to terminate the existence as living, to allow the mind to process and to begin engaging the entry ramp towards crossing over into the afterlife. Too often, there is a regard that those who are enfeebled, are not “present.” Across most of your world, there is not the preparation for getting old, for beginning the process of crossing over. You do not need to have a religious existence or heritage to do this, but you do need to see this life as one step in the continuum of a very long ascendant, infinite life experience. This is the primary attitude and orientation towards getting old and dying gracefully.

There is oftentimes a disconnection between the living and younger, and those who are getting older and approaching the era of dying and death. This is unfortunate; the older, extended families that existed in many of your cultures provide a much more healthy perspective of living, growing older, entering the era approaching death and then doing so. Children in extended families live together, see this process and know what it is all about. Living alone, living in small living situations or apart from others in the continuum of life, is not healthy—socially or spiritually or emotionally. Healthy cultures see this era as inevitable and prepare for it. Yes, there are many who are feeble of mind and have dementia, and these are cared for appropriately.

My answers may be hesitating and diverse, and that is because it is so rare to see a healthy social, emotional, intellectual engagement of this whole process of birthing, living, growing, maturing, retiring, becoming elderly and dying. It is simply a continuum, and except for those who are in the initial and developed stages of dementia, it is a process of living joyfully, actively, as much as possible, until the body finally weakens to the point, or one decides to abandon the vehicle and opt for another one, of the morontial type.

Vicki: I feel like you’ve touched on this a bit, but maybe we could use more detail. I also feel like we are missing some understanding of the psychological and spiritual needs of the elderly. For instance, the care and the recreation we provide for them, sometimes appears very sterile and artificial. It makes me wonder what needs are not being met. What activities or experiences may serve us better as we enter into the later stages of our elderly age?

MONJORONSON: In a healthy society, and with healthy individuals, those become self-expressive. That is, the elderly know what they want and pursue it, and they ask for it, they seek it. What you are seeing in your society are people who have been watching television too much. They continue to watch television until they die. There are many needs of the elderly, but there are far more needs of those who are active in the middle age, who are not seeking to explore those options. Your concern should be for those who are much younger, to seek how they can express themselves in their lifetimes. Those individuals who are elderly, and of good mind, surely do not keep their wishes to themselves, but share them; and those who dulled their mind through the duration of their lifetimes will not express their needs then, as they did not earlier.


  • Your society does not feed the curious

Your society does not feed the curious. Your society does not open up the potential of individuals. Your society is very much like so many people in a mental health ward, watching television, wandering about on drugs, taking care of their vital needs and being cared for otherwise, by their caretakers. I do not intend to be mean by stating these things—it is simply that you have a vast society of dullards, who are not interested or curious, and later in life, do not know how to express their needs and satisfy them. Your question is very prickly in many ways, because it causes us to present a critique of your current society. Your current society is not sustainable as it exists, and you are seeing that unsustainable evidence in the lives of those who are elderly. Surely those elements that are sustainable are expressed and explicit in the elderly, who remain curious and expressive of their potential, and still seek to explore themselves and their lives.

Vicki: Let me make sure that I understand this: What you are telling us then, basically, is that some of the problems that are inherent in our care of the elderly are also inherent in the way we live our lives much younger than that. Is that correct?

MONJORONSON: Most definitely, you have. I appreciate your clarifying question.

Vicki: This opens up a huge area especially when we talk about families. Because I see the family as one of the major roots of this problem, do you, Monjoronson?

MONJORONSON: Most definitely.

Vicki: Would you like to expound on that for us?

Dementia, Family

  • Avoiding dementia begins in the family

MONJORONSON: Most definitely, I would. The family of origin—mother, father and children—provide the environment by which the tremendous, infinite, innate potential within the child, can begin to be explored, and that is an era of opportunity to expose the child to various situations of learning, to engage their curiosity, rather than stifling it, answering their questions, rather than telling them to be quiet. This training that begins in the family of origin, usually expresses itself in midlife by failure to be curious and to explore their own potential when they are on their own and responsible for their own development, education and living. It becomes even more graphically evident, in the elderly, who sit around and do nothing, or those who remain to be active.

One of the greatest antidotes towards dementia in the elderly is an active intellectual, social, and cultural life, where the person is always interested in exploring those curiosities of life that they have. You can see what will develop in the individual if you clearly understand the beginnings of their childhood. Only those who are exceptional in self-directing their life as an adult can surpass the limitations that were given to them, were put upon them in their childhood. These individuals usually remain exceptional in their adulthood and their later years and in their elder years. They standout significantly in the population of the elderly, whether they are in care facilities or assisted living situations, or at home. It is essential that more individuals begin to explore their potential and begin to become responsible for exploring that potential, and to remain curious throughout their lifetime. By doing this, they will have taken a powerful step to remain active mentally, socially, verbally, and intellectually in their elder years.

Vicki: Well, Monjoronson, it makes sense to me that there would be a continuum. Thank you for connecting those dots. I think that was very informative, very enlightening, and something we all needed to hear.

As you stated, when one approaches old age, they often experience a degree of forgetfulness and dementia and many also revert back to child-like ways. Is there an explanation or a reason for this developmentally or spiritually, that we are not aware of?

MONJORONSON: I will begin in childhood again. In childhood, children are taught and they learn, and they are given vast amounts of restrictions, socially, culturally, familially, and personally, by others, and so they wear this “jacket,” these restrictions on their life, throughout their life, and as they become older. Many who have mental competence choose to discard many of these restraints, to allow themselves to be child-like, to be foolish, to be individualistic, to be humorous and to live in joy; to see and engage life joyfully and playfully. When a person enters their elder years, they have less care for other people’s opinions, but wish to live in peace within themselves, without the voices of their parents or other authorities yapping in their minds. There is a stripping away of these restrictions.

On the other hand, for those who are entering into dementia, there are those learned qualities which have been with them longest, are more deeply imprinted than those which have been recently learned. Child-like behaviors are those which are retained last. The simple pleasures of life—you may see a man in his 80’s playing on the floor, stacking blocks and playing with cars. This is something that he can relate to. The philosophical elements of life and the spiritual elements that he learned earlier in life pass by him and no longer are retained; they are less relevant. And so too, you will see women playing with dolls and playing “house” reenacting those events that they had earlier. For the elder man on the floor, playing with blocks, perhaps he is building corporations and playing and designing with cars that he did once before. You never know what is going through the mind of the individual in their elder years, particularly those who are experiencing episodes of dementia.

Vicki: This lowering of the veils of perception in the elderly, that increases their ability to perceive loved ones that have crossed over, has me thinking. Does this also make it easier for them to perceive and communicate with other celestial beings, such as angels?

MONJORONSON: Yes, it is. Few, however, have trained themselves, or have been trained to communicate easily with those in the afterlife. It is much a process similar to TRing but in fact they are visualizing that entity, that being with them. Many who perceive the veil and have experienced the veil and its becoming thinner, oftentimes do have conversations with those who are in the afterlife, in the morontial realm. This is a beginning of their education for living on the other side. It is a beginning of the schooling for understanding the lessons of the material life that have been given to them in their earlier years. There are many questions that those who are approaching dying, have about their lives. Those episodes which are incomplete—relationships which ended without resolution or closure. There are many experiences of the mortal life, which are indecipherable by those who are crossing over, and can be explained by the helpful efforts of those who have come to visit from the afterlife. This can be an important era in preparation for that.

You will see these individuals who are at the veil, approach the veil and retreat, and come back and forth, as those who are in the material realm beckon them to eat, or to bathe, or to rest or dress. They oftentimes, those in the material realm are completely unaware of this happening, and often are hostile towards this experience of the one who is dying. This is most unfortunate, as it creates a dissonance, a fracture in the energy of closure; it breaks the even-flow of the continuum of spiritual experience of the individual. It is not nice to indicate that they are mentally ill or crazy, or they have lost their mind, when the elderly who have approached the veil, have spoken with their aunt, or their uncle, father or mother, brother, sister or some grandparent who has already passed. There is this hostile acceptance of the veil being present, but my friends, you who are in your 30’s or 20’s, who are completely immersed in the material world, you live with the veil as well. It is simply that it is a foot thick, and that you even deny its existence.


Death, meditation and mystical experiences

For those who have meditated and have had mystical experiences, this is much easier to accept. It is part of the ease of dying, that those caregivers accept this reality, and in fact, facilitate it. You recall that I gave the advisement to assist those who are dying, to experience those altered states of consciousness, more lucidly, more competently, more consciously, to engage this more easily. This is part of the process of dying consciously. It can be most uplifting and enlightening experience when done with open mindedness, with peacefulness, rather than a hostile audience and surroundings. Do you understand?

Vicki: I do understand, and I think that you have given us a wealth of knowledge that has extended our understanding. I think this is a good place to conclude our session. I’m sure though, I may have more questions about the elderly in the future.


MONJORONSON: I hope you would have questions about those caregivers who are with the elderly. That would be helpful. You did ask that once, quite a bit earlier, and it may be time to revisit that on occasion.

Vicki: Okay, yes and that in turn will help us define what we can do now. I really appreciate this practical advice. I’ll give this more thought for our next session. Once again, thank you, Monjoronson. I truly appreciate your presence and your transparency, with the answers that you are giving us. It is greatly appreciated not only by me, but is expressed by many readers that we are hearing from. Thank you, so much. (You are most welcome.)