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thank you Tom! As you may have discerned, I think the comments of Teaching Mission participants is as revealing as the lessons, perhaps even more so. However, in the Nordan Symposia, they appear in a separate talkpage into which I have added your note. Tell Mark, my dad voted for him too! ;-)
thank you Tom! As you may have discerned, I think the comments of Teaching Mission participants is as revealing as the lessons, perhaps even more so. However, in the Nordan Symposia, they appear in a separate talkpage into which I have added your note. Tell Mark, my dad voted for him too! ;-)
Steffani wrote:Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 12:01 AM'''
How does it even make sense to ANYONE that present day mortals are going to learn the lessons of love and spiritual progress from former humans, particularly militaristic types who may still be undergoing serious remediation on mansonia one, recovering from the incalculable harm done to their fellows during their lives? From whence would any benefit be derived from seeking out those who made their careers "in the world" by practicing war and politics? These were hardly known as compassionate and caring men who put God first during their lives on Urantia...Well known, smart and (in)famous are very different qualities than those of loving the LORD with all one's heart and soul and seeking the Heavenly Kingdom to come on Urantia by elevating Father's Will to one's internal prime directive!
This israther like seeking counsel from Herod, Judas Iscariot, and Pontius Pilate...not that some imaginative "channelers" haven't engaged in that sort of nonsense...and sometimes even tried to share it here! This is very different from heatring from ascendant mortals who graduated from advanced worlds in light and life and are given the opportunity to serve as teachers to people on a disordered earlier evolution status planet like Urantia as a learning experience mutually helpful both to them and our planetary population. THEIR goal is to teach us how to LIVE the 'golden rule' in our daily lives, and facilitate processes by which we may safely attain Father/Adjuster communion, and to begin to understand, befriend, and 'socialize' with them on a increasingly cosmic and celestial level.
'''Gerdean wrote: Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 12:01 AM'''
We were introduced to you as an historian, Rob, so it is no surprise that you are excited to see American history make its way into the movement. No doubt much can be learned from men and women who have notably contributed to Urantia's development, and the spirit of their experience no doubt participates through their words echoing down the annals of history and through their contribution to the Evolving Supreme. But you err on a number of points, none of which I will dicker with you about except to say that your perspective does not carry any more authority than mine does.
Your friend Jonathan is not making anybody do anything. My friend Jonathan would be "turning over in his grave," as would Alan, Isaac, Jeremiah, Thea and a number of others if they found we were taking their name in vain and pissing on the revelation whose truths and principles they dedicated their lives. But it doesn't really matter about them since they are not here to witness these machinations, nor does it serve to attempt to set the No.ID and the So.ID groups against each other. No.ID has always been a progressive community and we have always cheered them on, but they are still just as human as the rest of us.
And don't feel too self-satisfied about the "UB Fundie" angle because that is simply not the case. None of us were born yesterday. After reading the UB for over four decades and now finishing up The Sherman Diaries, it is clear that the Papers were tampered with by well-meaning but self-serving mortals just as the TeaM transcripts have been tampered with by well-meaning but self-serving mortals. There is no more a pure page on this planet than there is a pure race.
Then on one hand you call for the long-timers to shape up and serve the new age, and on the other hand you tell us we understand too little to complain about the fact that we are barking up the wrong tree.
Give my regards to Ike.
Gerdean
'''Jim Cleveland wrote: Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 9:01 AM'''
Hi Ron,
Some New Agers say it all happened in December and we just weren't tuned in to it. We are now in another era or something.
How about enlightening us all on why the moon is still here and all the changes that weren't apparent or weren't real.
If we continue to sweep these prophecies under the rug, wait a decent interval and start up another string hoping that people will forget the folly of the last one and embrace the next one, we will be on an endless treadmill of going nowhere.
The Urantia papers are packed with facts and insights. But often the authors speculate on their own. Our critics are still pointing to the passage saying that the midwayers had nothing to do with the spiritist seances in the early part of the last century. They apply this today to Michael's teachers, though it is nonsensical to do it.
Everything in the book is not holy writ. There is also speculation on the thousands of years it will take for anything to happen on Urantia, which nullifies the TM of today.
And when they say mortals don't ordinarily return to the planet of their origin, they did not take into account the interplanetary Correcting Time of today because it didn't exist. If former mortals of the planet are helpful, I have no doubt that they can become contributors to the mission. People can identify with them readily.
But a lot of people don't know what to make of Ron's material, and are less accepting of it since the December nothingness. The TM has been chopped into several pieces over the years and this seems to have been very counterproductive to me. A house divided against itself can't stand. And so we're mostly sitting on our butts and arguing.
'''Rob wrote:Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 10:07 AM'''
The Master learned from everyone and thereby became a teacher for all. It would appear the demythologizing of "the teachers" or "celestials" is gaining ground as we slowly surrender to the truth that we have been trained as teachers whose 'authority' is measured by our love.