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===TR: [[Susan Kimsey]]=== | ===TR: [[Susan Kimsey]]=== | ||
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| − | *See discussion page for note from TR | + | *See [https://nordan.daynal.org/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:2001-09-20-To_TR_Or_Not_To_TR,_Is_That_A_Question%3F discussion page for note from TR] |
===Dialogue=== | ===Dialogue=== | ||
| − | Oliver: I would like to know your name and I would like to know if what Will said long ago is true, that it takes a certain chemical in the brain to become a transmitter. | + | Oliver: I would like to know your name and I would like to know if what Will said long ago is true, that it takes a certain [[chemical]] in the [[brain]] to become a [[transmitter]]. |
| − | Teacher: Thank you. Yes, to the second question, but I wish to say to you that you are always changing and you are always capable of change. There are no limitations that can not, if it is God's will, be surmounted. It is no special demarcation upon an individual should that person, as your beloved T/R did, suddenly begin to speak our "language," as you might put it. So my friend, you are concerned for your chemical imbalance, but I must think that you are equally concerned that you are not worthy, and fear that is why you hear not, see not, speak not | + | Teacher: Thank you. Yes, to the second question, but I wish to say to you that you are always changing and you are always capable of [[change]]. There are no [[limitations]] that can not, if it is God's will, be surmounted. It is no special demarcation upon an [[individual]] should that person, as your beloved [[T/R]] did, suddenly begin to speak our "language," as you might put it. So my friend, you are concerned for your chemical imbalance, but I must think that you are equally concerned that you are not [[worthy]], and [[fear]] that is why you hear not, see not, speak not. |
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| + | What I wish to tell you, Sir friend, you are making [[progress]]. You have such a [[facility]] for "wagging the bone" She says I don't have that correct, but I think you [[understand]] you chew on things. You worry, worry, worry. This you learned quite early. This you would gladly [[surrender]]. Let your [[gladness]] come through to me, and I will help you. It is no sign of your inferiority. It is no sign of your hopelessness in [[life]] that you have not heard your teacher speak to you in such a way as you can step forward with [[confidence]] and have him, or anyone else, speak through you, as I now speak through your beloved [[transmitter]]. Continue, please, to surrender the [[burden]] of your life to us, so that you may [[demonstrate]] the [[joy]] that is God's gift to everyone, even in the most trying of planetary circumstances. There is no God-given reason for you alone to be excluded from this. | ||
And my name is Tar-al-hakim. (Oliver: Would you repeat that?) Oh, how you stretch her. (Oliver: Sorry.) (David: I think she got it on the recording, don't you?) [There continues to be some interaction regarding the correct pronunciation of the name.] [09/10/ 00] | And my name is Tar-al-hakim. (Oliver: Would you repeat that?) Oh, how you stretch her. (Oliver: Sorry.) (David: I think she got it on the recording, don't you?) [There continues to be some interaction regarding the correct pronunciation of the name.] [09/10/ 00] | ||
| − | Well, I am still "wagging my bone", obviously. But there are some more voices. And how is it for you, sister or brother? | + | Well, I am still "wagging my bone", obviously. But there are some more [[voices]]. And how is it for you, sister or brother? |
| − | Transmitting and Receiving is a "meeting of the celestial communication that uses the instrumentation of the mortal's neurological circuitry and mindal thought patterns". | + | [[Transmitting]] and Receiving is a "meeting of the celestial [[communication]] that uses the instrumentation of the mortal's [[neurological]] [[circuitry]] and mindal [[thought]] patterns". |
| − | Daniel: Transmitting/Receiving [T/Ring] has been a topic which ebbs and flows in interest and concern. Because every one of us is different, morontial and mortal, no two interactions between celestials and mortals are identical. The T/Ring process involves for some the literal hearing of words, individually or by phrases, which they repeat. Some have seen words which they read. Most are given concepts presented as pictures and thoughts and the individual T/R's mind is the blending and mixing place where the meeting of the celestial communication uses the instrumentation of the mortal's neurological circuitry and mindal thought patterns. Always remember that the mind and the brain are not the same. The mind uses the brain as an organ; but the mind is far greater than even this most marvelous instrumentS -Daniel, Pocatello, Idaho: 03/30/ 01 | + | Daniel: Transmitting/Receiving [T/Ring] has been a [[topic]] which [[ebbs and flows]] in interest and concern. Because every one of us is different, [[morontial]] and [[mortal]], no two interactions between [[celestials]] and mortals are identical. The T/Ring process involves for some the [[literal]] hearing of [[words]], individually or by phrases, which they repeat. Some have seen words which they [[read]]. Most are given [[concepts]] presented as [[pictures]] and thoughts and the individual T/R's mind is the blending and mixing place where the meeting of the celestial communication uses the instrumentation of the mortal's neurological circuitry and mindal thought patterns. Always remember that the [[mind]] and the [[brain]] are not the same. The mind uses the brain as an organ; but the mind is far greater than even this most marvelous instrumentS -Daniel, Pocatello, Idaho: 03/30/ 01 |
| − | We are providing the concepts, but you T/Rs are providing the equipment, the thought processes, the memory banks. | + | We are providing the [[concepts]], but you T/Rs are providing the equipment, the [[thought]] [[processes]], the memory banks. |
| − | Alana: I am Alana. Again, as Daniel has said, every connection that we make with you mortals results in a different experience. By this I do not suggest that experiences are totally different, no. There is much in common. But there is the fine edge of distinction between one connection and another. When we say that it is best for the T/R to be out of the way, this has often been misunderstood. Some people have assumed that this was a wish for you to become a channel, a mere tube through which the information flows, wholly unconscious and out of the process; an automaton, a robot, a mouthpiece. However, that is not what we desire at all! This is an experience of duality, partnership. We are providing the concepts, but you T/Rs are providing the equipment, the thought processes, the memory banks. It is more or less exceptional for a T/R to speak that which (s)he has no knowledge of, although it does happen. Now, have I further muddied the waters and confused your minds? Or has this clarified? -Alana, Pocatello, Idaho: 03/30/ 01 | + | Alana: I am Alana. Again, as Daniel has said, every [[connection]] that we make with you mortals results in a [[different]] [[experience]]. By this I do not suggest that experiences are totally different, no. There is much in common. But there is the fine edge of distinction between one [[connection]] and another. When we say that it is best for the T/R to be out of the way, this has often been misunderstood. Some people have assumed that this was a wish for you to become a [[channel]], a mere tube through which the [[information]] flows, wholly [[unconscious]] and out of the [[process]]; an [[automaton]], a robot, a mouthpiece. However, that is not what we [[desire]] at all! This is an experience of [[duality]], [[partnership]]. We are providing the concepts, but you T/Rs are providing the equipment, the thought processes, the memory banks. It is more or less exceptional for a T/R to speak that which (s)he has no knowledge of, although it does happen. Now, have I further muddied the waters and [[confused]] your minds? Or has this [[clarified]]? -Alana, Pocatello, Idaho: 03/30/ 01 |
| − | Beginner's Advice: Yes, my friend, this is another one speaking. Keep your journal, fill in the empty places. Your goal is to sit each day and wait. When you remind yourself that you have not given that I-time to God, you increase your discipline by listening to your own reasons and forgiving them. Forgetfulness is the habit of non-communication. Continue to wait and listen, we are here and giving you every benefit of our love. The doubt is yours to pierce through like the airplane through the cloud that may tremble but does not waver from its true course. We will help you overcome those moments of doubt and fear and reluctance. -Alana, Nuevo Arenal, Costa Rica: 06/11/ 00 | + | Beginner's Advice: Yes, my friend, this is another one speaking. Keep your [[journal]], fill in the empty places. Your [[goal]] is to sit each day and wait. When you remind yourself that you have not given that I-time to God, you increase your [[discipline]] by [[listening]] to your own reasons and forgiving them. Forgetfulness is the [[habit]] of non-communication. Continue to wait and [[listen]], we are here and giving you every benefit of our [[love]]. The [[doubt]] is yours to pierce through like the airplane through the cloud that may tremble but does not waver from its true [[course]]. We will help you overcome those moments of doubt and [[fear]] and [[reluctance]]. -Alana, Nuevo Arenal, Costa Rica: 06/11/ 00 |
| − | T/R’ing is not for all It is important to remember that many people will never hear a teacher's voice within themselves. It is not the goal of the mission for you to hear us. The goal of our mission is for you to receive our message, receive God's message through us. There are many ways of doing that. For some it has been important that they are able to hear us so they may transmit our message to others. Many people will find their place by listening to the mission and incorporating it and by doing God's will as opposed to hearing it only - JarEl, Acadia, California, USA: 10/15/1992 | + | T/R’ing is not for all. It is important to remember that many people will never hear a teacher's [[voice]] within themselves. It is not the [[goal]] of [[the mission]] for you to hear us. The goal of our mission is for you to [[receive]] our message, receive God's message through us. There are many ways of doing that. For some it has been important that they are able to hear us so they may [[transmit]] our message to others. Many people will find their place by [[listening]] to the mission and incorporating it and by [[doing God's will]] as opposed to hearing it only - JarEl, Acadia, California, USA: 10/15/1992 |
Latest revision as of 21:25, 12 December 2020
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Topic: To TR or Not to TR, Is That A Question
Group: Half Moon Bay TeaM
Facilitators
Teacher: Tar-al-hakim, Daniel, Alana, JarEl
TR: Susan Kimsey
Session
Dialogue
Oliver: I would like to know your name and I would like to know if what Will said long ago is true, that it takes a certain chemical in the brain to become a transmitter.
Teacher: Thank you. Yes, to the second question, but I wish to say to you that you are always changing and you are always capable of change. There are no limitations that can not, if it is God's will, be surmounted. It is no special demarcation upon an individual should that person, as your beloved T/R did, suddenly begin to speak our "language," as you might put it. So my friend, you are concerned for your chemical imbalance, but I must think that you are equally concerned that you are not worthy, and fear that is why you hear not, see not, speak not.
What I wish to tell you, Sir friend, you are making progress. You have such a facility for "wagging the bone" She says I don't have that correct, but I think you understand you chew on things. You worry, worry, worry. This you learned quite early. This you would gladly surrender. Let your gladness come through to me, and I will help you. It is no sign of your inferiority. It is no sign of your hopelessness in life that you have not heard your teacher speak to you in such a way as you can step forward with confidence and have him, or anyone else, speak through you, as I now speak through your beloved transmitter. Continue, please, to surrender the burden of your life to us, so that you may demonstrate the joy that is God's gift to everyone, even in the most trying of planetary circumstances. There is no God-given reason for you alone to be excluded from this.
And my name is Tar-al-hakim. (Oliver: Would you repeat that?) Oh, how you stretch her. (Oliver: Sorry.) (David: I think she got it on the recording, don't you?) [There continues to be some interaction regarding the correct pronunciation of the name.] [09/10/ 00]
Well, I am still "wagging my bone", obviously. But there are some more voices. And how is it for you, sister or brother?
Transmitting and Receiving is a "meeting of the celestial communication that uses the instrumentation of the mortal's neurological circuitry and mindal thought patterns".
Daniel: Transmitting/Receiving [T/Ring] has been a topic which ebbs and flows in interest and concern. Because every one of us is different, morontial and mortal, no two interactions between celestials and mortals are identical. The T/Ring process involves for some the literal hearing of words, individually or by phrases, which they repeat. Some have seen words which they read. Most are given concepts presented as pictures and thoughts and the individual T/R's mind is the blending and mixing place where the meeting of the celestial communication uses the instrumentation of the mortal's neurological circuitry and mindal thought patterns. Always remember that the mind and the brain are not the same. The mind uses the brain as an organ; but the mind is far greater than even this most marvelous instrumentS -Daniel, Pocatello, Idaho: 03/30/ 01
We are providing the concepts, but you T/Rs are providing the equipment, the thought processes, the memory banks.
Alana: I am Alana. Again, as Daniel has said, every connection that we make with you mortals results in a different experience. By this I do not suggest that experiences are totally different, no. There is much in common. But there is the fine edge of distinction between one connection and another. When we say that it is best for the T/R to be out of the way, this has often been misunderstood. Some people have assumed that this was a wish for you to become a channel, a mere tube through which the information flows, wholly unconscious and out of the process; an automaton, a robot, a mouthpiece. However, that is not what we desire at all! This is an experience of duality, partnership. We are providing the concepts, but you T/Rs are providing the equipment, the thought processes, the memory banks. It is more or less exceptional for a T/R to speak that which (s)he has no knowledge of, although it does happen. Now, have I further muddied the waters and confused your minds? Or has this clarified? -Alana, Pocatello, Idaho: 03/30/ 01
Beginner's Advice: Yes, my friend, this is another one speaking. Keep your journal, fill in the empty places. Your goal is to sit each day and wait. When you remind yourself that you have not given that I-time to God, you increase your discipline by listening to your own reasons and forgiving them. Forgetfulness is the habit of non-communication. Continue to wait and listen, we are here and giving you every benefit of our love. The doubt is yours to pierce through like the airplane through the cloud that may tremble but does not waver from its true course. We will help you overcome those moments of doubt and fear and reluctance. -Alana, Nuevo Arenal, Costa Rica: 06/11/ 00
T/R’ing is not for all. It is important to remember that many people will never hear a teacher's voice within themselves. It is not the goal of the mission for you to hear us. The goal of our mission is for you to receive our message, receive God's message through us. There are many ways of doing that. For some it has been important that they are able to hear us so they may transmit our message to others. Many people will find their place by listening to the mission and incorporating it and by doing God's will as opposed to hearing it only - JarEl, Acadia, California, USA: 10/15/1992
