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===Topic: ''Mansonia, Part II''===
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===Group: [[Nashville TeaM]]===
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==Facilitators==
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===Teacher: [[Ham]]===
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===TR: [[Rebecca]]===
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== Session==
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*[[1997-03-09-Mansonia, Part 1|Mansonia, Part 1]]
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===Opening===
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Ham: greetings, children, I am Ham. I once again am [[grateful]] and [[honored]] that you should come here tonight, welcome. Tonight the [[dialogue|discussion]] topic will elaborate somewhat on [[1997-03-09-Mansonia, Part 1|last week's discussion]].
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===Lesson===
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Once more, I am relying on your [[thought adjusters]] to help your [[understanding]] because this lesson normally is not given until you have reached [[47:4 The Second Mansion World|Mansonia two]]. The [[Mansion world]] life is very different from this [[life]]. You have [[freedom]] that you don't understand on [[this world]]. Freedom that involves increasing [[self]]-[[discipline]]. You are starting to understand that your time should be used [[wisely]], that freedom does not entail [[laziness]] or self-[[indulgence]].
  
Teacher: HAM
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To the immature [[mind]], the life on [[Mansonia two]] may seem restricted and regimented, but this is never due to a [[coercion|coercive]] [[force]] being applied, it is the intelligent [[understanding]] among its [[inhabitants]] who choose to live in an orderly [[manner]] that causes this [[impression]]. The inhabitants of Mansonia two take great delight in [[learning]], in applying their learning as well as [[relaxing]], [[socializing]], and enjoyment of reversion. They look forward to the day when reversion is not [[necessary]], but they are still immature creatures who require [[relaxation]] and [[rest]].
  
Topic: MANSONIA - Part 2
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It is beginning to dawn on these [[ascenders]], as it should be beginning to [[dawn]] on you, that you are educating yourselves and working toward something very great and though it has not been entirely [[revealed]] to you, you cannot help but be swept up in the [[excitement]], in the [[knowledge]] of working for the advancement of [[God]]. It is beginning to dawn on you that you are being entrusted with something [[sacred]]. You are beginning to understand that [[the Father]] of all creation is giving you his [[trust]].
  
March 16, 1997
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[[Gradually]], your [[doubts]] about yourselves are giving way to the doing of the work that you have been [[entrusted]] with. Gradually, you [[understand]] that there is nothing more important, even you are not more important, than the [[goal]], the [[trust]], the [[work]]. [[Service]], gradually becomes an all consuming [[desire]]. You are beginning to find your place in the [[universe]] and to acquit yourselves well in the tasks you have been given. Gradually, your [[purpose]] [[becomes]] clear and all the [[doubts]] and the worries and the hassles and the hang-ups cease to bother you, cease to impede your [[progress]].
  
Ham: greetings, children, I am Ham. I once again am grateful and honored that you should come here tonight, welcome. Tonight the discussion topic will elaborate somewhat on last week's discussion.
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The [[second mansion world]] is a time of great [[unfolding]], where who you are and are [[discovering]] yourself to be and the [[path]] that you are [[choosing]] become one and the same. There is no longer a [[separation]] between you and your [[purpose]]. You are becoming your purpose as it is revealed to you.
  
Once more, I am relying on your thought adjusters to help your understanding because this lesson normally is not given until you have reached Mansonia two. The Mansion world life is very different from this life. You have freedom that you don't understand on this world. Freedom that involves increasing self-discipline. You are starting to understand that your time should be used wisely, that freedom does not entail laziness or self-indulgence.
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As I [[explained]] last week, the [[second mansion world]] is one where [[the Father]] in the form of your [[thought adjuster]] and you are drawing closer and closer within the [[medium]] of the [[mind]]. So as this is happening, you [[destiny]] also is being [[revealed]]. [[Freedom]] lies in this [[process]]. Once you know who you are, who you are [[becoming]], and what you are to do in the [[Universe]], there is no [[fear]], or misconceived [[idea]] that can chain you.
  
To the immature mind, the life on Mansonia two may seem restricted and regimented, but this is never due to a coercive force being applied, it is the intelligent understanding among its inhabitants who choose to live in an orderly manner that causes this impression. The inhabitants of Mansonia two take great delight in learning, in applying their learning as well as relaxing, socializing, and enjoyment of reversion. They look forward to the day when reversion is not necessary, but they are still immature creatures who require relaxation and rest.
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There is great [[power]] in this knowing, this self-revealing [[wonder]]ful [[process]]. You will begin to have power over the old clinging [[human]] [[weaknesses]]. Spiritual power is power of [[self-control]]. Gradually, this growing [[maturity]] and establishment of your true [[character]]/[[identity]] is stronger than the old [[fears]] and weaknesses which once enslaved you. You are given the power to do what you now [[understand]] you must do. You must do it as the fulfillment of yourself. You have no wishes that can possibly go beyond what you have been given, so you have no [[desire]] for [[self]]-[[betrayal]]. All you are, and all you will [[become]] is now [[focus]]ed toward the goal.
  
It is beginning to dawn on these ascenders, as it should be beginning to dawn on you, that you are educating yourselves and working toward something very great and though it has not been entirely revealed to you, you cannot help but be swept up in the excitement, in the knowledge of working for the advancement of God. It is beginning to dawn on you that you are being entrusted with something sacred. You are beginning to understand that the Father of all creation is giving you his trust.
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Let me use an example that you may [[understand]]. Excuse the crudeness of this example. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozart Mozart] was born a child [[prodigy]]. He knew his life's [[calling]], his life's work and fulfilled himself through [[music]]. This is very crude, but it is somewhat [[analogous]] to the all consuming [[desire]] that grows within your breast within this [[time]] in your development. You simply must be who you are and find your [[expression]].
  
Gradually, your doubts about yourselves are giving way to the doing of the work that you have been entrusted with. Gradually, you understand that there is nothing more important, even you are not more important, than the goal, the trust, the work. Service, gradually becomes an all consuming desire. You are beginning to find your place in the universe and to acquit yourselves well in the tasks you have been given. Gradually, your purpose becomes clear and all the doubts and the worries and the hassles and the hang-ups cease to bother you, cease to impede your progress.
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Your life in the [[flesh]] rarely allows you to come to this point in your development, but I would not be teaching this lesson if I thought it was beyond you. Are there any questions at this time.
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===Dialogue===
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Q: This is not a question, but as I was [[thinking]] about this lesson about the [[visions]] our [[religions]] have of [[life after death]], and the vision that you have painted for us is far more [[wonderful]] and [[inspiring]] that any of these.
  
The second mansion world is a time of great unfolding, where who you are and are discovering yourself to be and the path that you are choosing become one and the same. There is no longer a separation between you and your purpose. You are becoming your purpose as it is revealed to you.
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Q: This is a personal question, is the work that I will be doing to the work for my task as part of [[this mission]], is it similar to the work I will be doing later, the same kind of [[work]], how close it is to what I will be doing later? I am [[curious]]?
  
As I explained last week, the second mansion world is one where the Father in the form of your thought adjuster and you are drawing closer and closer within the medium of the mind. So as this is happening, you destiny also is being revealed. Freedom lies in this process. Once you know who you are, who you are becoming, and what you are to do in the Universe, there is no fear, or misconceived idea that can chain you.
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Ham: This I cannot tell you because the work evolves as you go, becomes grander and more [[meaning]]ful and more fulfilling. I would think that you are on [[pathway]] even now, and so yes it is similar, certainly.
  
There is great power in this knowing, this self-revealing wonderful process. You will begin to have power over the old clinging human weaknesses. Spiritual power is power of self-control. Gradually, this growing maturity and establishment of your true character/identity is stronger than the old fears and weaknesses which once enslaved you. You are given the power to do what you now understand you must do. You must do it as the fulfillment of yourself. You have no wishes that can possibly go beyond what you have been given, so you have no desire for self-betrayal. All you are, and all you will become is now focused toward the goal.
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Q: Ham during the lesson you repeatedly emphasized the [[gradual]] [[nature]] of these self-[[unfoldings]]. I am sure you had a good [[reason]] for that, could you elaborate on that [[point]]?
  
Let me use an example that you may understand. Excuse the crudeness of this example. Mozart was born a child prodigy. He knew his life's calling, his life's work and fulfilled himself through music. This is very crude, but it is somewhat analogous to the all consuming desire that grows within your breast within this time in your development. You simply must be who you are and find your expression.
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Ham: The young [[soul]] like a young plant cannot carry the full weight of its [[potential]] fruit when it is but a seedling. [[Time]] is required for the stalk to [[grow]], for the branches to thicken, before the fruit can be borne. Much of what transpires in this life is [[analogous]] to the plants first sprouting to the growth toward the [[sun]] but for what [[purpose]], it is not seen until the first buds and the first fruits. As in all things, the [[process]] of [[self]]-[[revealing]] and God-revealing is time dependent. So, never be [[anxious]] or concerned about your [[spiritual growth]]. See to it that your [[soul]] is fed and watered and [[the Father]] will see to its growing.
  
Your life in the flesh rarely allows you to come to this point in your development, but I would not be teaching this lesson if I thought it was beyond you. Are there any questions at this time.
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Q: I understand this [[intellect]]ually, but I don't think I have [[learned]] it. I find that I am not [[patient]] and that I want to be at that point without covering all the distance in between. I don't know how others feel, but I want to move quickly.
 
 
Q: This is not a question, but as I was thinking about this lesson about the visions our religions have of life after death, and the vision that you have painted for us is far more wonderful and inspiring that any of these.
 
 
 
Q: This is a personal question, is the work that I will be doing to the work for my task as part of this mission, is it similar to the work I will be doing later, the same kind of work, how close it is to what I will be doing later? I am curious?
 
 
 
Ham: This I cannot tell you because the work evolves as you go, becomes grander and more meaningful and more fulfilling. I would think that you are on pathway even now, and so yes it is similar, certainly.
 
 
 
Q: Ham during the lesson you repeatedly emphasized the gradual nature of these self- unfoldings. I am sure you had a good reason for that, could you elaborate on that point?
 
 
 
Ham: The young soul like a young plant cannot carry the full weight of its potential fruit when it is but a seedling. Time is required for the stalk to grow, for the branches to thicken, before the fruit can be borne. Much of what transpires in this life is analogous to the plants first sprouting to the growth toward the sun but for what purpose, it is not seen until the first buds and the first fruits. As in all things, the process of self- revealing and God-revealing is time dependent. So, never be anxious or concerned about your spiritual growth. See to it that your soul is fed and watered and the Father will see to its growing.
 
 
 
Q: I understand this intellectually, but I don't think I have learned it. I find that I am not patient and that I want to be at that point without covering all the distance in between. I don't know how others feel, but I want to move quickly.
 
  
 
Ham: When you were a child, and were waiting for Christmas, didn't a day seem interminably long?
 
Ham: When you were a child, and were waiting for Christmas, didn't a day seem interminably long?
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Q: Yes, I do remember that quite clearly,
 
Q: Yes, I do remember that quite clearly,
  
Q: I thought just came to me that makes that whole thing simple, if I am right, is that patience and tolerance are an integral part of love and when you get love, you get all that stuff too.
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Q: I thought just came to me that makes that whole thing [[simple]], if I am right, is that [[patience]] and [[tolerance]] are an [[integral]] part of [[love]] and when you get [[love]], you get all that stuff too.
  
 
Yes. Very true.
 
Yes. Very true.
  
You said. "You have no wishes that can possibly go beyond what you have been given, so you have no desire for self- betrayal. All you are, and all you will become is now focused toward the goal". I was wondering if it was really possible for us to achieve that state in our lives in the flesh. More specifically I am finding it hard to imaging having such a clear vision of our destiny, so clear that we can see how enormously wonderful it is.
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You said. "You have no wishes that can possibly go beyond what you have been given, so you have no [[desire]] for [[self]]- [[betrayal]]. All you are, and all you will [[become]] is now [[focused]] toward the goal". I was wondering if it was really possible for us to achieve that [[state]] in our lives in the [[flesh]]. More specifically I am finding it hard to [[imagine]] having such a clear [[vision]] of our [[destiny]], so clear that we can see how enormously wonderful it is.
  
Ham: All things are possible, the flesh is very weak, and the release from it and from the corruption of the physical world really puts you beyond it in a way that is impossible while still in the flesh. So, yes and no.
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Ham: All things are possible, the [[flesh]] is very [[weak]], and the release from it and from the [[corruption]] of the [[physical]] world really puts you beyond it in a way that is impossible while still in the flesh. So, yes and no.
  
Q: In the example of Mozart, you are saying that he did have the vision from early on?
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Q: In the example of [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozart Mozart], you are saying that he did have the [[vision]] from early on?
  
Ham: No, just that he lived his life with the conviction of one who did have vision.
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Ham: No, just that he lived his [[life]] with the [[conviction]] of one who did have vision.
  
Q: Let me see if I understand, this vision or insight, this level of self-revelation is something that we have to allow to unfold gradually over time. There is not flash of insight of bolt of lightening that will strike us. We just have to be patient?
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Q: Let me see if I understand, this vision or [[insight]], this level of self-[[revelation]] is something that we have to allow to unfold [[gradually]] over time. There is not flash of insight of bolt of lightening that will strike us. We just have to be patient?
  
 
Ham: Yes.
 
Ham: Yes.
  
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Topic: Mansonia, Part II

Group: Nashville TeaM

Facilitators

Teacher: Ham

TR: Rebecca

Session

Opening

Ham: greetings, children, I am Ham. I once again am grateful and honored that you should come here tonight, welcome. Tonight the discussion topic will elaborate somewhat on last week's discussion.

Lesson

Once more, I am relying on your thought adjusters to help your understanding because this lesson normally is not given until you have reached Mansonia two. The Mansion world life is very different from this life. You have freedom that you don't understand on this world. Freedom that involves increasing self-discipline. You are starting to understand that your time should be used wisely, that freedom does not entail laziness or self-indulgence.

To the immature mind, the life on Mansonia two may seem restricted and regimented, but this is never due to a coercive force being applied, it is the intelligent understanding among its inhabitants who choose to live in an orderly manner that causes this impression. The inhabitants of Mansonia two take great delight in learning, in applying their learning as well as relaxing, socializing, and enjoyment of reversion. They look forward to the day when reversion is not necessary, but they are still immature creatures who require relaxation and rest.

It is beginning to dawn on these ascenders, as it should be beginning to dawn on you, that you are educating yourselves and working toward something very great and though it has not been entirely revealed to you, you cannot help but be swept up in the excitement, in the knowledge of working for the advancement of God. It is beginning to dawn on you that you are being entrusted with something sacred. You are beginning to understand that the Father of all creation is giving you his trust.

Gradually, your doubts about yourselves are giving way to the doing of the work that you have been entrusted with. Gradually, you understand that there is nothing more important, even you are not more important, than the goal, the trust, the work. Service, gradually becomes an all consuming desire. You are beginning to find your place in the universe and to acquit yourselves well in the tasks you have been given. Gradually, your purpose becomes clear and all the doubts and the worries and the hassles and the hang-ups cease to bother you, cease to impede your progress.

The second mansion world is a time of great unfolding, where who you are and are discovering yourself to be and the path that you are choosing become one and the same. There is no longer a separation between you and your purpose. You are becoming your purpose as it is revealed to you.

As I explained last week, the second mansion world is one where the Father in the form of your thought adjuster and you are drawing closer and closer within the medium of the mind. So as this is happening, you destiny also is being revealed. Freedom lies in this process. Once you know who you are, who you are becoming, and what you are to do in the Universe, there is no fear, or misconceived idea that can chain you.

There is great power in this knowing, this self-revealing wonderful process. You will begin to have power over the old clinging human weaknesses. Spiritual power is power of self-control. Gradually, this growing maturity and establishment of your true character/identity is stronger than the old fears and weaknesses which once enslaved you. You are given the power to do what you now understand you must do. You must do it as the fulfillment of yourself. You have no wishes that can possibly go beyond what you have been given, so you have no desire for self-betrayal. All you are, and all you will become is now focused toward the goal.

Let me use an example that you may understand. Excuse the crudeness of this example. Mozart was born a child prodigy. He knew his life's calling, his life's work and fulfilled himself through music. This is very crude, but it is somewhat analogous to the all consuming desire that grows within your breast within this time in your development. You simply must be who you are and find your expression.

Your life in the flesh rarely allows you to come to this point in your development, but I would not be teaching this lesson if I thought it was beyond you. Are there any questions at this time.

Dialogue

Q: This is not a question, but as I was thinking about this lesson about the visions our religions have of life after death, and the vision that you have painted for us is far more wonderful and inspiring that any of these.

Q: This is a personal question, is the work that I will be doing to the work for my task as part of this mission, is it similar to the work I will be doing later, the same kind of work, how close it is to what I will be doing later? I am curious?

Ham: This I cannot tell you because the work evolves as you go, becomes grander and more meaningful and more fulfilling. I would think that you are on pathway even now, and so yes it is similar, certainly.

Q: Ham during the lesson you repeatedly emphasized the gradual nature of these self-unfoldings. I am sure you had a good reason for that, could you elaborate on that point?

Ham: The young soul like a young plant cannot carry the full weight of its potential fruit when it is but a seedling. Time is required for the stalk to grow, for the branches to thicken, before the fruit can be borne. Much of what transpires in this life is analogous to the plants first sprouting to the growth toward the sun but for what purpose, it is not seen until the first buds and the first fruits. As in all things, the process of self-revealing and God-revealing is time dependent. So, never be anxious or concerned about your spiritual growth. See to it that your soul is fed and watered and the Father will see to its growing.

Q: I understand this intellectually, but I don't think I have learned it. I find that I am not patient and that I want to be at that point without covering all the distance in between. I don't know how others feel, but I want to move quickly.

Ham: When you were a child, and were waiting for Christmas, didn't a day seem interminably long?

Q: Yes, I do remember that quite clearly,

Q: I thought just came to me that makes that whole thing simple, if I am right, is that patience and tolerance are an integral part of love and when you get love, you get all that stuff too.

Yes. Very true.

You said. "You have no wishes that can possibly go beyond what you have been given, so you have no desire for self- betrayal. All you are, and all you will become is now focused toward the goal". I was wondering if it was really possible for us to achieve that state in our lives in the flesh. More specifically I am finding it hard to imagine having such a clear vision of our destiny, so clear that we can see how enormously wonderful it is.

Ham: All things are possible, the flesh is very weak, and the release from it and from the corruption of the physical world really puts you beyond it in a way that is impossible while still in the flesh. So, yes and no.

Q: In the example of Mozart, you are saying that he did have the vision from early on?

Ham: No, just that he lived his life with the conviction of one who did have vision.

Q: Let me see if I understand, this vision or insight, this level of self-revelation is something that we have to allow to unfold gradually over time. There is not flash of insight of bolt of lightening that will strike us. We just have to be patient?

Ham: Yes.