1999-02-26-Guardian Angel of Destiny
Topic: Guardian Angel of Destiny
Group: SE Idaho TeaM
Nadia(Bill): Greetings dear friends. I am Nadia, destiny guardian angel, present here tonight with my charge. I wish to offer a few words of perspective as to our role with you mortals whom we love so dearly.
Never forget that the angels of destiny guardianship are highly privileged among our sisterhood to have the job of being your caretakers and guardians. It is for us the highest and surest path to the Finality Corp and despite the fact that you are mortals in flesh and blood and we are spirit beings we share many, many things in common: thoughts, feelings, but most importantly, values and common destinies.
I have been granted permission to address you this evening because we wish to expand your awareness of the spiritual host that surround you. We wish to reinforce the discernment and enlightenment that has occurred in each of you that you are truly never alone, yes, that the universe is friendly, but not at a distance. It is friendly right up close. There is a spirit by your elbow. I do not wish my words to be progenitors of curiosity questions, however, for that is not my purpose in talking with you this evening.
As you know, we angels do not interfere with your thinking. We are not involved in that realm, so intimate, are your divine Monitors. But yes, we will take credit for urging relationships between mortals. We are behind the scenes, as is were, at the personal level as guardians and at the planetary level as angels of the churches, of the future, and you know the other classifications. We are also very pleased that our order of intelligence has received such interest on your planet of late; that beyond the superficiality of fads, the certainty of our presence is becoming more plausible to many. We welcome with great joy the millions and millions of morontial beings, ascending mortals and others, who are now flooding this planet and applying spiritual pressure everywhere.
Aaron: Greetings, friends. This is Aaron. Tonight I would like to discuss with you certain perspectives regarding how you may look at your purposes, not only here in communication with us, but also the motivations which guide you in life. You may question at times why it is so difficult to perceive our influence. We recognize that in varying degrees you strive to understand our presence and to perceive the insight we offer, sometimes to come up frustrated and feeling as though you are missing some connection. Recognize that we have a singular, a prime directive, which supercedes all other efforts we might make regarding this planet and the mortals here. This prime directive is the attunement of your thought processes into alignment such that you are more receptive to recognizing the ministrations of your indwelling Spirit.
The awareness that the correcting time is occurring brought fascination on your world to those involved; amazement, wonder, excitement, joy, in the idea of reclamation. Suddenly minds were astir. And many people began to think of all the possibilities why we would come to serve here on your world this way. Many ideas have surfaced that have been popular. And sometimes confusion has occurred; such that, amid expectations, disillusionment and frustration resulted causing persons to slip away for lack of real understanding or sensitivity to the underlying mission: to facilitate comprehension of the foremost spiritual reality residing in your mind.
When you personally think of how you may best serve God, what sorts of thoughts come to your mind? Do you think of telling others what you have learned, or writing a book? Talking to groups? Providing papers with our words? Evangelizing? Or do you recognize, perhaps more now than earlier in your association with us, that you best serve your maker by striving to know God and thereby allowing his presence to manifest in your life those things which God would have known to others through you. Inward is the path to truest service for others rather than trying to create fantastic possibilities of service.
If you would each dedicate yourself to the inner life with God the manifestation of service possibilities will arise beyond your imaginations! You will do that which God would have you do. And therein lies the perspectives that we would most like to have you understand as you proceed forth. The many happenings on your world are beneficial. All ideas for God have value but the greatest production, the highest awareness will come from seeking to do what your inner relationship tells you. I hope these thoughts tonight have allowed you some perspective. And I thank you for listening. I would be open for commentary or questions this evening. And Daniel is present, as well as others. Please feel free to communicate in a relationship to us.
Daniel(Nancy): Yes, I am Daniel. I am pleased to have the opportunity to extend this discussion of love into greater realms. In my discussion of love we were discussing the higher realms of love. But, we were also discussing human love, for the topic arose because it was Valentine's day weekend. And on Valentine's it is customary in your culture to express love to one's beloved; to one with whom one has a romantic tie. And it was in this context of romance that I referred to love as dependency in that much of romantic love is confused with real love in that it is quite self-centered rather than other-centered. As you are aware, the Urantia book defines love as a desire to do good to others. Very often in romantic love and in interpersonal relationships, parental-child love, child-parent love, there is an aspect of wanting good done to one's self. This is self-centered rather than other-centered. Very often there are numerous agendas for the other person mixed in. These are the individual's agenda's for the other person not their agendas for themselves. And it is in this sense that human love, or what is called love, is dependency based, in that one tries to get their needs met through the other person meeting these hidden personal agendas. This is different from desiring good for others; in that the good is very often defined and does not always allow for God's good in God's lessons to be taught in God's way and time. Has this clarified?
Roxy: Yes. Thank you.
Daniel(Nancy): You are most welcome.
Bill/Isaac: This is Isaac speaking for himself. I don't know where this thought is coming from but perhaps the intensity of romantic love has some connection with lack of childhood satisfaction from a parent that is then perceived to be present in one's beloved; this is all at an unconscious level. We think this person is really going to meet our needs. And I'm suggesting that that's an aspect of dependency. I don't know if that's what Freud said but,... I don't know. I'll go back into receptivity now.
Virginia: Teachers, following up on that, I immediately thought of certainly 99% of people have experienced romantic love, at least in our culture. Does that mean that's part of being human and finding the mate to continue our species?Bill: It is there for that evolutionary reason.
Aaron: Both perspectives have value regarding how romantic feelings arise. Many times it it human biological urges and protective instincts that cause these feelings to stir. At other times an ongoing relationship produced an enlarging romantic inclination. Many times, however, are these feelings laced with dysfunctional pattens that have scarred individuals since their early years. There is no one pat answer to identify romantic love. Rather the individual needs to over time learn to separate and understand oneself in relationship with another such that they have a grasp on where the source of emotions and feelings come from. I hope this aids.
Virginia: Teachers, one of the things I deal with daily is the need to give to my students in the class that which I know they need in order to succeed in our culture, the skill of self-esteem and all of these things. And most of us have heard the term 'tough love'. But some of the time I am not sure of my own feeling when I give children consequences they may see as painful but I see as helping them make better choices. Would any of you like to comment on that?
Minearisa(Nancy): I will take a step. I am Minearisa at your service. The best consequences of all consequences are the natural consequences that come about as a result of a child's own decision tree without overt control from an individual in authority. For if that authority figure is doling out the consequences or has any type of strong negative emotional reaction going on, it is very easy for the child to slip into a mode of blaming that authority for the bad feelings the child experiences. So the best form of tough love is to assist the child in pre-discerning the consequences of various combinations of decisions and then allow the child to take the fall. Be there to love the child's hurts after the fall. But try not to associate yourself with the source of the hurt.
Now I know that these comments are broadly general and it is in their application that the difficulty lies. So let me use an example freshly spoken of here this evening. A child had an upcoming spelling test and was given the option of preparing for that test. Let me detail two possible structures. In one structure, the authority determines that study must occur and takes away privileges if study does not. In this situation the child associates the unhappiness of lost privileges with the authority removing the privileges. Another route is to allow the child to do poorly. "Oh," but we say, "that is not an acceptable consequence because the child does not know that they need to know that spelling, that they must learn these study skills to achieve in this material world." And this is, of course, a concern. One cannot always know the correct mode. But if the child is one who would feel badly if they did poorly, then the natural consequence would be to allow them to do poorly, feel what that feels like, and decide to study in the future. The point is not in the detail. The lesson is in trying to structure the situation in which it is more difficult for the child to associate the natural consequence of their decision with the authority. I hope this has been helpful. Always is each situation different and discernment necessary.
Virginia: Thank you Minersa. I especially appreciated the idea to help the child to pre-discern or anticipate the situations that they might be in and the consequences that would happen in each situation. That is not always something that is done, I'm sure. So that is something to think about.
Nancy: Yes, indeed, this is key. Thank you for putting it in bold relief.
Aaron(Bill): I would comment. I am Aaron. In a certain sense dependency relationships can be given a negative aura that is not justified because you will, until you reach Paradise perfection, be dependent upon instruction, direction, supervision, and evaluation by others who are your superiors, either by virtue of experience, or by virtue of creative status. The universe is one vast school; so that always you will be under the instruction of others, at least on this side of Paradise. At the same time, you will be teachers to others as well. Therefore, I wish to provide another side to this discussion and these thoughts about love in terms of this aspect of teacher/pupil reality.
We have decided that our time is over, not because we are tired of interacting with you, but because your time has reached its conclusion. Once again, in behalf of all gathered here that you see not, let me say that it has be a another sterling evening! You have all been teachers and students to each other. And we value this democracy of spirit equality despite our differential levels of experience or creative status.